1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,640 Ladies and gentlemen, the story you are about to hear is true. 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,440 The names have been changed to protect the innocent. 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,440 Dragman. 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:25,760 You're a detective sergeant. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,920 You're assigned a homicide detail. 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,920 A call comes into the office. 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,040 A woman says her husband is dead. 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,960 She thinks he's been murdered. 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,960 Your job, investigate. 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Dragnet. 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,040 The documentary drama of an actual crime. 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,960 For the next 30 minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,600 travel step by step on the side of the law through an actual case transcribed from official 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,600 police files. 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,480 From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, Dragnet is the story of your police force 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,480 in action. 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,480 It was Wednesday, July 8th. 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,280 It was sunny in Los Angeles. 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,000 We were working the day watch out of homicide detail. 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,240 My partner is Frank Smith. 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,240 The boss is Captain Lawman. 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,240 My name is Friday. 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,560 It was 1103 a.m. when we got to 906 South Norwood Street. 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,560 Front door. 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Hi, Friday and Smith, homicide. 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,560 How are you? 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,560 Carly, 1F14. 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,480 Mrs. Pilsen, the victim's wife, is back in the bedroom. 29 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,480 Pretty broken up about it. 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,480 Uh-huh. 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,480 What about the victim? 32 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,200 Name's George Pilsen, age 57, no children. 33 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,200 Justina's wife live here. 34 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,560 That's about all I got. 35 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,200 She cried so much, I thought it might be better to let her rest until you got here. 36 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,200 That's a good idea. 37 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,200 Where's the body? 38 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,200 In the other bedroom, I'll show you. 39 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,120 All right. 40 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,440 Because she felt so bad, I thought maybe she'd like me to call her doctor. 41 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Said she didn't want any. 42 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:48,680 Uh-huh. 43 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,680 Mrs. Pilsen's right across the hall. 44 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:50,680 Right. 45 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:51,680 That's a head wound. 46 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:52,680 Yeah. 47 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,960 Looks like somebody was serious. 48 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:57,960 Yeah. 49 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,680 Now we're gonna need the lab and latent prints. 50 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:00,680 You want me to call him? 51 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,680 Yeah. 52 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,680 Better call the corner, too. 53 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:03,680 Will you please? 54 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:04,680 Right. 55 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:05,680 Thank you. 56 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,680 When he's lying here, position of his hands outside the covers, doesn't look like there 57 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,680 was much of a struggle, does it? 58 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,680 Oh. 59 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,680 Could have been asleep when he got it, huh? 60 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,680 Better talk to his wife, huh? 61 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,680 Yeah. 62 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:18,680 Mrs. Pilsen. 63 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,680 Mrs. Pilsen. 64 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,680 Mrs. Pilsen, police officers. 65 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:24,680 Go ahead. 66 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,680 Police officers, but I can talk to you. 67 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,680 Sorry to disturb you, ma'am, but we'd appreciate it if you'd tell us what you know about all 68 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,680 this. 69 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,680 All right. 70 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:34,680 You want to go in the front room? 71 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:35,680 All right, that'll be fine. 72 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,680 You go ahead, please. 73 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,680 I couldn't talk to the other policeman. 74 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,680 We understand. 75 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,680 The calls are all in, Sergeant. 76 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,680 Anything else I can do? 77 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:43,680 No, thanks, Carly. 78 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,680 We'll handle it now. 79 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:45,680 Right. 80 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:46,680 I'll show them off. 81 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,680 Mrs. Pilsen, this is Frank Smith. 82 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:52,680 My name's Friday. 83 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,680 Uh-huh. 84 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,680 How do you do, ma'am? 85 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:02,680 This is like so many other mornings, except nobody sat in this chair like you are, Mr. 86 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:03,680 Friday. 87 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,680 I used to sit here and it was quiet. 88 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,680 I didn't want to disturb George's sleep. 89 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,680 Well, then your husband usually slept during the morning hours, is that right? 90 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:12,680 Yes. 91 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,680 He worked nights at the Belden Aircraft Company. 92 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:15,680 All right. 93 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,680 Can you tell us what happened? 94 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,680 What is it to tell? 95 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,680 He came from shopping and found me just like he is now. 96 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,680 Do you remember what time it was? 97 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,680 I don't know for sure. 98 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,680 Ten-thirty. 99 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:28,680 Somewhere around there. 100 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,680 When did you leave the house? 101 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,680 About the same time I usually do. 102 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,680 I couldn't do my housework in the morning. 103 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,680 I didn't want to disturb George. 104 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,680 About when would that be? 105 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,680 About nine o'clock. 106 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:42,680 Was your husband asleep when you left? 107 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:43,680 Yes. 108 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,680 He never closed the door and I looked in before I left. 109 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,680 When you left the house this morning, did you lock the house? 110 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,680 The back door was locked. 111 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,680 I never locked the front when I'm just going to be gone for a short while. 112 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:55,680 I see. 113 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,680 It doesn't take me more than two hours to shop at the most. 114 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,680 Do you know if your husband had any enemies, Miss Pilsen? 115 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,680 Not that I know of. 116 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,680 He might have, but he never said anything to me about them. 117 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,680 I hope you won't take offense, but we have to ask this. 118 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,680 How did you and your husband get along? 119 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,680 I guess I should have known that I'd be suspect, too. 120 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,680 Well, we have to ask it. 121 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:17,680 I know, Mr. Friday. 122 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,680 You men are strangers. 123 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,680 How could you know what our marriage was like? 124 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,680 How do you sum up 30 years in one or two sentences? 125 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Good, bad, happy, unhappy? 126 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:39,680 With all those, I don't think our life is much different than most couples. 127 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,680 Maybe one exception. 128 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,680 You see over there on the table? 129 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:44,680 Yes, ma'am. 130 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,680 My collection of elephants. 131 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,680 I started collecting them as a little girl. 132 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,680 I always thought that one day I'd have a little girl. 133 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,680 I'd give them to her. 134 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,680 We never had any children. 135 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,680 So my children have been pretend. 136 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,680 I've kept adding to the collection all these years. 137 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,680 Each new elephant is one that my little girl, or perhaps a little boy, would have added. 138 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,680 I see that. 139 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,680 I was wrong before about something I said. 140 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,680 How's that? 141 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,680 I said you were strangers. 142 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:15,680 Yes. 143 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,680 You're not, really. 144 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,680 Otherwise, I wouldn't have told you about the elephants. 145 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:20,680 Yes, ma'am. 146 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,680 Then you and your husband haven't had any quarrels recently. 147 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,680 Usual words. 148 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,680 Nothing serious, though. 149 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:27,680 Now there's something else we'll have to know. 150 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:28,680 Yes. 151 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,680 Do you know if any personal property is missing? 152 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Stolen, you mean? 153 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,680 That's right. 154 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Well, I'd have to look first. 155 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,680 What if you do that for us? 156 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Right now? 157 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:38,680 Yes, ma'am. 158 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,680 If you feel up to it, we'd appreciate it if you could. 159 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,680 You want to know about the bedroom, too? 160 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,680 Yes, ma'am. 161 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,680 All right. 162 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,680 One other thing, Miss Pilsen. 163 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,680 Yes. 164 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,680 Would your husband have been in the habit of carrying large sums of money on his personal, 165 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:53,680 would you know? 166 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,680 No, no. 167 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,680 He usually carried some cash, but never large amounts. 168 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:58,680 I see. 169 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,680 All right. 170 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,680 Would you like to start checking now, Miss Pilsen? 171 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,680 Do you mind if we sit a moment longer? 172 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,680 No, it's all right. 173 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,680 Take your time. 174 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,680 I was just remembering how like other days this is. 175 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:18,680 I'd sit here reading and maybe just looking at my elephants and thinking. 176 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:19,680 Mm-hmm. 177 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:25,680 It would be real quiet, and the clock would strike twelve. 178 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,680 I'd go in and wake George. 179 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:29,680 Yes, ma'am. 180 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:30,680 Shall we go in? 181 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,680 Yes, if you're ready. 182 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,680 It's not quite time. 183 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:36,680 That won't make any difference now. 184 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:37,680 Are you fine? 185 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,680 He won't hear us. 186 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:49,680 When we checked the bedroom, Miss Pilsen told us her husband's watch and diamond ring were missing. 187 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,680 She said as far as she could determine, nothing else had been taken from the house. 188 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,680 In the meantime, crews from the crime lab and Leighton Prince arrived. 189 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,680 Frank called the office, and they ran the names George and Maureen Pilsen through R&I. 190 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,680 They called back later to say they could find no record on either one of them. 191 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,680 Further questioning of the victim's wife failed to give us any definite lead as to who our suspect might be. 192 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,680 We left the home and began to question some of the neighbors. 193 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,680 One fourteen p.m. We rang the bell at the house directly across the street. 194 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,680 We identified ourselves and Sam Mordell, the occupant, admitted it. 195 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,680 We went into the front room. 196 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,680 I began to think I'd have to go look you fellas up. 197 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:24,680 How do you mean that, sir? 198 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,680 I saw the cars and activity over at the Pilsen's. I couldn't figure out what it was. 199 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,680 I thought it must be trouble of some kind. 200 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,680 Curiosity just about got the best of me. 201 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,680 Grab a chair. Might as well be comfortable while you're here. 202 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Thank you, sir. Thank you very much, Mr. Mordell. 203 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Don't mind all the wood shavings on the floor. You see, I'm a woodcarver. 204 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,680 It's not my job. It's just a hobby. I'm retired. I'm a railroad man. 205 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:49,680 Yes, sir. 206 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,680 I had a rug in here, but I took it out. I always liked those eaten places with the sawdust on the floor. 207 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,680 You and you know the kind. 208 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,680 Of course, shavings aren't sawdust, but then it's easier to save them this way, too. 209 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,680 Yes, sir. I wonder if you'd answer a few questions for us. 210 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:09,680 Sure thing. Anyhow, if I keep on gabbing, I won't find out what this is all about. 211 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,680 You go ahead and ask your questions. 212 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,680 Thank you. Do you usually sit in that chair when you work? 213 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,680 Sure do. Seldom miss a day. I call this my cab window. 214 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,680 What's that, sir? 215 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:24,680 Cab window. I used to be an engineer. I sort of got used to looking out and enjoying the scenery as it went by. 216 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,680 Of course, now the view doesn't change much, but I still like to see what's going on in the neighborhood. 217 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,680 Yes, sir. 218 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,680 Were you sitting here this morning, sir? 219 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:37,680 Yeah. Don't miss many days. I haven't the time. I have to get this chain finished. 220 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:39,680 A lot of work to carve out the wood chain. 221 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:43,680 Yes, sir. Would you remember seeing anybody around the Pilsen residence this morning? 222 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:45,680 You mean besides Mrs. Pilsen? 223 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:46,680 You saw her, did you? 224 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:51,680 Sure. She went shopping. She always goes Wednesday morning, of course, unless the weather is bad. 225 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:53,680 Yes, sir. Did you see anybody else? 226 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:57,680 Yes. I saw a fellow come out of there while Mrs. Pilsen was at the store. 227 00:08:57,680 --> 00:08:58,680 Saw a man come out of the house? 228 00:08:58,680 --> 00:08:59,680 Yeah. 229 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:00,680 Would you remember what time that was? 230 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:02,680 Ten o'clock sharp. 231 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:03,680 You sure of that? 232 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:04,680 That's right. You see this watch? 233 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:06,680 Yes, sir. 234 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:11,680 They gave me this when I retired. You can see what it says on the back. See? See? 235 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:14,680 It's real nice. 236 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:21,680 Railroad watch. Doesn't vary a bit. I don't get a newspaper, so I listen to the radio news when I'm working. 237 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:22,680 Mm-hmm. 238 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:29,680 I always check the time they come on. But I know that my watch is right. Sometimes they're a couple of seconds late or early. 239 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:33,680 Most of the old pretty much on schedule make good railroad men. 240 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:34,680 Yes, sir. 241 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:38,680 It was ten o'clock sharp by my watch. Program was three seconds late. 242 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:40,680 Yes, sir. Now did you see that man go in? 243 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,680 No. I went out to make a pot of coffee. 244 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:44,680 How long were you out of the room? 245 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:48,680 Twenty minutes. It would take any more than twenty minutes. 246 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:53,680 Do you mind if I carve while we talk? I've got to get this chain finished. They're going to get a new record. 247 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,680 Yes, sir. All right. Could you describe this man for us? 248 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,680 Sure. I can give you a better clue than that. 249 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:58,680 What's that, Mr. Modell? 250 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:02,680 He had a truck, gladly, printing on the side. 251 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:03,680 Uh-huh. 252 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:06,680 Man's name. Said he's sharpened lawnmowers. 253 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:07,680 Do you know the name? 254 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:11,680 Well, I'm not real sure. Either Ray or Gray. 255 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:12,680 Was there an address? 256 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:17,680 Yeah. The letter was too small. Anyhow, I wasn't too interested. I sharpened my own mower. 257 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:19,680 Uh-huh. Can you tell us what kind of a truck it was? 258 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:26,680 Not to make, but it was a closed-in kind. Green color. Didn't look too new. 259 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:30,680 Uh-huh. And you say the name on the side was either Ray or Gray? Is that it? 260 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:37,680 Yeah. My eyes are good yet, but only the Ray part was real clear. It looked like there could have been another letter in the front, though. 261 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,680 Uh-huh. 262 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:40,680 Just thought of something. 263 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:41,680 Yes, sir. 264 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:46,680 It didn't have to be gray. It could have been bray or tray. 265 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,680 Wait and check that out. 266 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:50,680 Now, can I ask you something? 267 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:51,680 What's after? 268 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:52,680 What's the trouble? 269 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:54,680 Well, Mr. Pilsen's dead. 270 00:10:54,680 --> 00:11:00,680 Well, couldn't have been a natural death if you fellas wouldn't be asking questions. 271 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:03,680 That's too bad. George was a pretty good neighbor. 272 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:04,680 Is that right, sir? 273 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:11,680 Be tough on his wife, too, being married so long and all. I went there 25th anniversary. 274 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:16,680 Isn't easy to go on alone. I lost my wife seven years ago. 275 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:21,680 Not when you've been happy. It's not easy. 276 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:25,680 Yes, sir. Mr. Mordell, you said you could give us a description of the man you saw coming out of Pilsen. 277 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:30,680 Yeah, and if he had anything to do with George's death, he's going to get what I wanted for so long. 278 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:32,680 What's that say? 279 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:38,680 That's when you catch him, I mean. There. He'll get his name in the paper. 280 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:39,680 How's that again? 281 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:45,680 That's why I'm carving this chain. It's going to be the longest chain ever carved out of a single piece of wood. 282 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:46,680 Oh, I see. 283 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:52,680 Almost made it a couple other times, and then I got too anxious and botched the whole thing. See there? 284 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:53,680 Schavins? 285 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:54,680 Yes, sir. 286 00:11:54,680 --> 00:12:00,680 When I finish, I'm going to sweep them all up and weigh them. You know, give the reporter something to write about. 287 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:02,680 Well, sir, I hope this one turns out for you. 288 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:08,680 Thanks. I'll make it this time. Maybe it won't be on the front page, but my name will be in the paper, too. 289 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:10,680 We need to be sure of one thing. 290 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:11,680 Yeah? 291 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:13,680 You picked a little better way to get there. 292 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:20,680 Sam Wardell gave us a description of the man that he'd seen. 293 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:24,680 We called the office and got out a local broadcast, and then we went back to the Pilsen house. 294 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:30,680 We found a lawnmower in the backyard. Mrs. Pilsen said her husband had sent the lawnmower out to be sharpened, 295 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:32,680 but she didn't know who the man was that did the work. 296 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:37,680 We checked the classified directory, and we found the name Gray's Lawnmower Service. 297 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,680 The listing had been underlined in pencil. 298 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:43,680 Frank and I drove to the address, 2604 Royal Street. 299 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,680 It was a small shop set well back from the street. The place was locked. 300 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:52,680 A clock sign on the door read, We'll be back at, and the hand pointed to 430. 301 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:55,680 We parked across the street and we waited. 302 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,680 At 443 p.m., a man answering the description we'd been given unlocked the door and entered the shop. 303 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,680 445 p.m. 304 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:05,680 Oh, hiya. 305 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:08,680 Either this is perfect timing or you've been waiting for me. 306 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:10,680 We're police officers. 307 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:11,680 Uh-huh. 308 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:14,680 Well, I guess that writes off the timing part. 309 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:15,680 Is your name Gray? 310 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:16,680 No, it's Para. 311 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:17,680 Do you work for a man named Gray? 312 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:20,680 Uh-uh. It's my own business. I bought it from him. 313 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:21,680 I see. 314 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:23,680 He'd been here for some 20 years, so I just kept the name. 315 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:25,680 Do you pick up and deliver in your business? 316 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:26,680 Yeah. 317 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:27,680 Well, then you have a truck. 318 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:28,680 That's right. 319 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:29,680 What kind? 320 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:30,680 Panel job, Dodge. 321 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:31,680 What color? 322 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:32,680 Green. 323 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:33,680 Look, I don't mind answering questions. 324 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:39,680 I know you got a job to do, but the way I see it, this question and answer game plays better if we both know what counts and what doesn't. 325 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:40,680 How about it? 326 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:42,680 Well, for the time being, let's just say you called it, huh? 327 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:43,680 Yeah. 328 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:44,680 We got a job to do. 329 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:45,680 That's it. 330 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:46,680 It'll have to be for now. 331 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:48,680 Yeah, I don't want to buck you guys. 332 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:52,680 I got nothing to hide, but I get the same feeling when somebody won't cash a check for me. 333 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:53,680 Yeah. 334 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:56,680 It galls me to think I'm lined up as a bad risk. 335 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:58,680 We're not accusing you of anything. 336 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:00,680 We'd appreciate your cooperation, but try and keep this in mind. 337 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,680 We'll still get what we came here for. 338 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:03,680 Now, you make the choice how you want it. 339 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:04,680 Okay. 340 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:06,680 What are you after, hot lawn mowers? 341 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:08,680 You said you made deliveries, is that right? 342 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:09,680 Yeah. 343 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:10,680 Do you keep a record of the calls you make? 344 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:11,680 Sure. 345 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:12,680 Can we see the record? 346 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:14,680 If you want, the book's over to death in the drawer. 347 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:15,680 I'll get it. 348 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:16,680 I'll get it. 349 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:18,680 What'd you expect? 350 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:20,680 That we're going to pull a gun out of the drawer? 351 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:21,680 That's the one? 352 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:22,680 Yeah. 353 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,680 Here you are, Joe. 354 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,680 Thanks. 355 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,680 Are these all the calls for today? 356 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,680 That's right. 357 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,680 Austin, Kemper, when'd you make these calls? 358 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,680 What time? 359 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,680 That's right. 360 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,680 Well, Kemper this morning, Austin this afternoon. 361 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,680 They're the only ones you made today, huh? 362 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:42,680 Yeah. 363 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,680 Wait a minute, let me see the book for a second. 364 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:45,680 Yeah. 365 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,680 There's one here, I guess I forgot to enter it. 366 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,680 What's that? 367 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:49,680 Another call I made. 368 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:50,680 What was that? 369 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,680 On Norwood Street, 906, I think it was. 370 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:54,680 Remember the name? 371 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:55,680 Yeah, Pilsen. 372 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,680 What time were you there? 373 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,680 I'm not sure, 9.30 or so, I guess. 374 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:00,680 Who'd you talk to? 375 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Nobody, didn't see anyone around. 376 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,680 Did you go in the house? 377 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:04,680 Why? 378 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Did you? 379 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Yeah, I rang the bell a couple times and I knocked. 380 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:08,680 Yeah. 381 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,680 I thought maybe they were in the back of the house, 382 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,680 couldn't hear me, the door was open a little so I walked in. 383 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:13,680 Yeah. 384 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,680 Went in the front room, called out, didn't get any answers so I left. 385 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,680 You didn't leave the front room? 386 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:19,680 That's right. 387 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:20,680 Did you see anybody? 388 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,680 I told you, I didn't, what more do you want? 389 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,680 You said you called out. 390 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,680 Yeah? 391 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:25,680 How loud? 392 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,680 What do you mean? 393 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,680 Loud enough to wake a person sleeping in the back bedroom, maybe? 394 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,680 I guess so, no one answered, it came out, I know that. 395 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,680 Why, was there someone there when I called? 396 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:35,680 That's right. 397 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,680 Well, ask them then. 398 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,680 I don't know what you're getting at, I walked into a house. 399 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,680 I didn't do anything wrong there. 400 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,680 But was someone there, ask them. 401 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:43,680 Be a little hard to do. 402 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,680 Huh? 403 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:45,680 He's dead. 404 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:51,680 We took Para back to the office and questioned him further. 405 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,680 He continued to maintain his innocence. 406 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,680 We ran his name through R&I and found a package for him showing one arrest for suspicion of 407 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:58,680 ADW as a juvenile. 408 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,680 We booked him on suspicion of 187 PC murder and Frank and I went back to his shop. 409 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,680 We thoroughly searched both the building and his truck but we failed to turn up either 410 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,680 the ring or the watch. 411 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,680 Thursday morning, Leighton Prince reported that they'd found no fingerprints in the house 412 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,680 other than those of the victim and his wife. 413 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,680 We got a call from Ray Pinker in the crime lab. 414 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,680 He said that George Pilsen had been beaten about the head with some type of round instrument. 415 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,680 He also substantiated our theory that there had been a little struggle on the part of 416 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:23,680 the victim. 417 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,680 We called the county morgue and Dr. Seffel who said he'd notify us as soon as he posted 418 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,680 the body, 1126 AM. 419 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,680 Joe? 420 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:31,680 Uh-huh? 421 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,680 Just checking over these time elements. 422 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,680 Yeah? 423 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:35,680 Mrs. Pilsen left at nine. 424 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,680 It's gone about an hour and a half. 425 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,680 The neighbors saw Para leave the house at ten, right? 426 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,680 Yep. 427 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,680 And if Mordell was right about how long he was gone from his front window, Para could 428 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,680 have been there about twenty minutes. 429 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,680 That's the way it checks out. 430 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,680 Well, give him enough time, don't you think? 431 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,680 Well, we've still got to figure maybe he's telling us the truth. 432 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:53,680 Yeah. 433 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,680 And if he is, that gives us several possibilities. 434 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,680 When Pilsen didn't answer, maybe it's because he couldn't. 435 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Now, say what you mean. 436 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,680 I got it. 437 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,680 Homicide Friday. 438 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,680 Yeah. 439 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,680 It was there. 440 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,680 Yeah. 441 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,680 I see. 442 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:11,680 Right. 443 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,680 Be right over. 444 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,680 Dr. Seffel who just finished posting the body. 445 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,680 Yeah. 446 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,680 It's possible that Pilsen wasn't killed by the head blow. 447 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:19,680 What do you mean? 448 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:20,680 Might have been dead before he was hit. 449 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:28,680 We went over to the morgue. 450 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,680 Dr. Seffel who said he'd found evidence of a barbiturate in the victim's body in a quantity 451 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:33,680 large enough to kill him. 452 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,680 He also pointed out that the lack of profuse bleeding from the head wounds led him to believe 453 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,680 that the victim was dead before the beating occurred. 454 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,680 Frank and I drove out to the Pilsen residence. 455 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:43,680 We talked to the victim's wife. 456 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,680 We explained to her that it was necessary that we know more about her husband's physical 457 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:47,680 condition prior to his death. 458 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,680 We went into the front room and sat down. 459 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,680 I tried to answer your questions, but today I'm just beginning to realize what it's going 460 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:55,680 to be like being alone. 461 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,680 Yes, ma'am. 462 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:57,680 We understand that. 463 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:58,680 We'll try to be as brief as possible. 464 00:17:58,680 --> 00:17:59,680 Thank you. 465 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,680 Now, had your husband been under a doctor's care recently? 466 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:03,680 No. 467 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,680 Had he been in good mental spirits? 468 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:05,680 Yes. 469 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,680 He didn't seem unusually worried about anything? 470 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,680 Not that I know of. 471 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,680 Well, now would you tell us about yourself, Ms. Pilsen? 472 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:13,680 What do you mean? 473 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,680 Well, have you been under a doctor's care recently? 474 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:17,680 No. 475 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,680 What does all this to do with my husband's death? 476 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,680 We'd like to know if there would be any reason for you or your husband to have a prescription 477 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,680 for a strong barbiturate in the house. 478 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:27,680 A what? 479 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:28,680 A sedative, ma'am. 480 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,680 You mean to make you sleep? 481 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,680 That's right. 482 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,680 No. 483 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:33,680 We did never use them. 484 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,680 Then you haven't had any in the house recently. 485 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,680 I haven't. 486 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:36,680 I don't think George did. 487 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,680 Would it be possible that your husband could have used a barbiturate and you didn't know 488 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:40,680 about it? 489 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,680 Yes. 490 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,680 But if he did, I'm sure he'd have told me. 491 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,680 We didn't have secrets from each other. 492 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,680 I see. 493 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,680 I'll get it. 494 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:48,680 All right. 495 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:49,680 Oh, Marie, you poor thing. 496 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,680 I just got back and heard the terrible news that came right over. 497 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:52,680 Thank you, Lydia. 498 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:53,680 You'll come back later. 499 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:54,680 Well, sure, dear. 500 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:55,680 Is there anything I can do for you? 501 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,680 Maybe, but I can't talk now. 502 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,680 All right, Marie. 503 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,680 Are the police here? 504 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:59,680 Yes. 505 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:00,680 So won't you come back later? 506 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,680 Have you told them? 507 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:02,680 Yes. 508 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:03,680 Have you told them what George tried to do? 509 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:04,680 Yes. 510 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,680 Excuse me, ma'am. 511 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:12,680 Couldn't help overhearing your conversation. 512 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,680 Oh, you're the policeman? 513 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,680 That's right. 514 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:16,680 Yes, ma'am. 515 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:17,680 I'm Marie's neighbor. 516 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,680 Yes, I understand. 517 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,680 What did you mean about Mr. Pilsen trying to do something? 518 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,680 Well, she didn't mean anything. 519 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:22,680 She was just talking. 520 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,680 Well, look, let's let her tell us, shall we? 521 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:24,680 Maybe I shouldn't have said anything. 522 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,680 What did you mean, ma'am? 523 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:26,680 Maybe it's not important. 524 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:27,680 Why don't you tell us anyway? 525 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:28,680 George tried to kill Marie. 526 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:42,680 We brought the neighbor Lydia Shires into the house for further questioning. 527 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,680 She explained that she was a close friend of Marie Pilsen's. 528 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,680 It was quite evident that Mrs. Pilsen didn't want her friend to talk to us. 529 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,680 If I had any idea I was going to cause all this trouble, I'd never come over. 530 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:52,680 I only meant to help Marie. 531 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Would you tell us why you said that Mr. Pilsen was trying to kill his wife? 532 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,680 Sure, but Marie can tell you better than I can. 533 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,680 Oh, now, honey, don't get upset. 534 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,680 It's going to work out all right. 535 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,680 Well, I'll tell you what I know, but Marie, I have to fill in the details. 536 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,680 All right, go ahead, please. 537 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,680 Last week it was, she came over to my house terribly worried. 538 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,680 She was afraid she was going to have another nervous breakdown. 539 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,680 Oh, please don't, please don't. 540 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,680 Now, don't fret, dear. 541 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,680 We all want to help you. 542 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,680 Mrs. Pilsen, once more, had you been under a doctor's care recently? 543 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,680 It was George, her husband, that made her sick. 544 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,680 He kept telling her she was going crazy, said she was going to die. 545 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,680 Finally, she got to believe in the things he was saying. 546 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:31,680 Yeah. 547 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,680 That's when she had the breakdown. 548 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,680 How long ago was this? 549 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:34,680 About three weeks ago. 550 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,680 All right, go ahead, will you? 551 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,680 Well, George got these pills for her, something for her nerves to make her rest. 552 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:40,680 Yeah. 553 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,680 That may be our office, I'll guess. 554 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,680 All right. 555 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,680 Hello. 556 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,680 That's right. 557 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:47,680 No, he isn't. 558 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,680 You want to tell me who's calling? 559 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,680 You'd like to leave a message. 560 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,680 All right. 561 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,680 No, my name's Spath, I... 562 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,680 She hung up. 563 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,680 A woman asked me for Mr. Pilsen. 564 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:03,680 Did she give her name? 565 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,680 No, said she was a friend of the family. 566 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,680 It was her. 567 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,680 I know it. 568 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,680 I wish I'd talked to her. 569 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,680 Who was it, Miss Pilsen? 570 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,680 I don't know her name, but she lied. 571 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,680 You know, a friend of mine, she called it all this. 572 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,680 How do you mean? 573 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,680 That's why George was trying to kill me. 574 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,680 With me out of the way, he could have her. 575 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,680 She'd come and live in my home. 576 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:21,680 You never told me about her. 577 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,680 I still had some pride. 578 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,680 All right, now this medicine your husband got, 579 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:26,680 was it a barbacher? 580 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,680 Yes. 581 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:28,680 That's how he was going to kill me. 582 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,680 Where'd he get the pills? 583 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,680 I don't know. 584 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,680 George would come in and sit on my bed in the early morning. 585 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,680 When he'd come in from work, he'd wake me up. 586 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,680 Tell me I was going to lose my mind. 587 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:39,680 Yeah. 588 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,680 Darn, after time he did it. 589 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:42,680 I began to think he was right. 590 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,680 I couldn't remember doing things. 591 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,680 That's when he started taking these pills, huh? 592 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,680 Yeah, that's right. 593 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,680 I see. 594 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,680 He'd put them in my food or in my drink. 595 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,680 You're sure he did that? 596 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,680 Yes. 597 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,680 I counted the capsules in the bottle every time I took one. 598 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,680 Got so I couldn't remember if I'd taken them or not, 599 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,680 so I counted them. 600 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:00,680 Mm-hmm. 601 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,680 I wrote the number down on paper so I'd be sure. 602 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,680 Some were always missing. 603 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,680 I knew he'd been giving them to me. 604 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:07,680 All right, go ahead. 605 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,680 That's when I told Lydia about it. 606 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,680 She said to stop. 607 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,680 Is that right, Miss Shire? 608 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,680 Yeah, I told her not to take any more. 609 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,680 Did you stop taking the sedatives? 610 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,680 Yes. 611 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,680 I told George about what Lydia said. 612 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,680 He got mad and said I shouldn't have gone to her. 613 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,680 Then he started telling me I'd go crazy if I didn't take them. 614 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,680 He kept after me. 615 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,680 Is that why you killed him, Miss Wilson? 616 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,680 Yeah, me and Marie did it. 617 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,680 He kept after me. 618 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,680 I knew he was trying to get rid of me. 619 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,680 He'd stay out all night when he wasn't working. 620 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,680 Did he tell you about the other woman? 621 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:39,680 No, he didn't have to. 622 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,680 I knew. 623 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,680 A couple of times she'd called here. 624 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,680 I answered the phone when she heard my voice. 625 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,680 She hung up. 626 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,680 So you gave him the pills you'd been taking. 627 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:47,680 Is that it? 628 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,680 To make him sleep. 629 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,680 Yeah. 630 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,680 I always had a sandwich when he came home from work. 631 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,680 I fixed it before I went to bed. 632 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,680 When'd you strike him? 633 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,680 When I came home from the market, I suppose. 634 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,680 You'll want the weapon, won't you? 635 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,680 Yeah, I'm gonna watch in the ring, too. 636 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,680 All right. 637 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,680 Marie, how could you do it? 638 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,680 It had to be. 639 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,680 He was gonna kill me. 640 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:10,680 She was gonna... 641 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,680 gonna live at my home with my children. 642 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,680 Lydia. 643 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,680 Yeah? 644 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,680 I want you to take my family. 645 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,680 What? 646 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,680 My elephants. 647 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,680 I want you to have them. 648 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:25,680 All right, Marie. 649 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,680 Do you want to tell us where the weapon is, Miss Pilsen? 650 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,680 All right. 651 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,680 I didn't believe George, and that he was telling the truth. 652 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,680 Yeah. 653 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,680 He told me this would happen. 654 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,680 What's that? 655 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,680 He said I was crazy. 656 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:51,680 The story you've just heard is true. 657 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,680 The names were changed to protect the innocent. 658 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,680 On November 3rd, trial was held in Department 97, 659 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,680 Superior Court of the State of California, 660 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,680 in and for the County of Los Angeles. 661 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:12,680 Marie Ellen Pilsen was examined by three psychiatrists 662 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,680 appointed by the state and found to be insane. 663 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,680 She was confined to Mendocino State Hospital 664 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,680 for the criminally insane for treatment. 665 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,680 You have just heard Dragnet, 666 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,680 the authentic story of your police force in action, 667 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,680 starring Jack Webb, 668 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,680 a presentation of the United States Armed Forces Radio Service.