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For the next 30 minutes in cooperation 02:03.520 --> 02:07.840 with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel step by step on the side of the 02:07.840 --> 02:12.720 law through an actual case transcribed from official police violence. From beginning to 02:12.720 --> 02:22.920 end, from crime to punishment, Dragnet is the story of your police force in action. 02:22.920 --> 02:26.700 It was Tuesday, March 24th. It was windy in Los Angeles. We were working the night watch 02:26.700 --> 02:31.000 out of homicide detail. My partner is Frank Smith. The boss is Captain Warman. My name 02:31.000 --> 02:35.560 is Friday. We were answering an ambulance follow-up, attempted suicide. It was 11.52 02:35.560 --> 02:42.520 PM when we got to 2296 Whitworth Drive. Front door. 02:42.520 --> 02:46.080 The place is sure like that. Better try it again, huh? 02:46.080 --> 02:51.560 Yeah. You the police? 02:51.560 --> 02:53.400 Yes ma'am, this is Frank Smith. My name's Friday. 02:53.400 --> 02:55.400 Come on in. Thank you. 02:55.400 --> 02:58.160 He's in there, the study. Who is he? 02:58.160 --> 03:00.040 Carl Hamlin. Are you Mrs. Hamlin? 03:00.040 --> 03:03.480 Yes. Door is locked. 03:03.480 --> 03:08.080 Hamlin? Hamlin? Come on, open the door. 03:08.080 --> 03:09.920 He had the gun. Said he was going to kill himself. 03:09.920 --> 03:12.240 Yes ma'am. Is there another key to this door? 03:12.240 --> 03:14.680 No. Come on, give me a hand Frank and try to force 03:14.680 --> 03:15.680 it. Yeah. 03:15.680 --> 03:19.680 Wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's try it this way. Come on. 03:19.680 --> 03:25.200 I guess it isn't going to give. No. Is there another way into the room ma'am? 03:25.200 --> 03:27.600 No, this is the only door. How about windows? 03:27.600 --> 03:29.040 What? Windows leading into it. 03:29.040 --> 03:34.640 Yes, off the front porch. Came in here drunk, across the scene. 03:34.640 --> 03:37.640 Down this way? Yes. 03:37.640 --> 03:42.400 There's the window here? Yes, there is. 03:42.400 --> 03:45.600 Can you see anything? No, let me have your flashlight. 03:45.600 --> 03:50.840 Yeah, here you go. Yeah, I can see him there on the floor. 03:50.840 --> 03:53.320 Can't you do something? He might still be alive. 03:53.320 --> 03:58.400 Well, screen's locked. You got something to cut it with? 03:58.400 --> 04:05.400 Try these keys. Yeah, that's got it. 04:05.400 --> 04:10.400 Good. Okay, let's see if we can get the window open. 04:10.400 --> 04:16.200 Yeah. I can't. I'm going to have to break this man. 04:16.200 --> 04:20.200 Well, I don't care as long as you get to him. Alright, I'm going to hold the light for him. 04:20.200 --> 04:21.880 Yeah. You better stand back ma'am, the glass 04:21.880 --> 04:26.440 is... Please, just hurry. 04:26.440 --> 04:29.720 Can you reach the latch from there? Wait a minute. 04:29.720 --> 04:31.640 Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I got it. 04:31.640 --> 04:36.640 I'll give you a hand then. Can you see if he's still alive? 04:36.640 --> 04:39.080 Just a minute, we'll have to get into the room first ma'am. 04:39.080 --> 04:40.080 Watch your step there Jeff. Yeah. 04:40.080 --> 04:45.080 Alright, come on, I'll give you a hand. Alright. 04:45.080 --> 04:47.840 Thanks. As soon as the ambulance gets here, will you 04:47.840 --> 04:50.320 show the attendant how to get in? Yes, can you tell if he's alive yet? 04:50.320 --> 04:54.000 No ma'am, not yet. You want to get the door? 04:54.000 --> 04:56.600 I'll check the victim. Yeah. 04:56.600 --> 05:02.600 How about it? We better have the attendant look at him. 05:02.600 --> 05:06.120 Take a look at that. No wonder we couldn't force the door. 05:06.120 --> 05:09.800 Yeah, the chair was a knob. Locked and bolted. 05:09.800 --> 05:14.800 He must have wanted real privacy. Looks like he's got it now. 05:14.800 --> 05:18.800 That's the room right there. Yes ma'am. 05:18.800 --> 05:24.800 Hi. He's dead. 05:24.800 --> 05:31.800 You want to wait in there ma'am? I didn't think he'd really do it. 05:31.800 --> 05:36.800 How about it? Just a minute. 05:36.800 --> 05:39.800 No nothing, he's dead. That his wife? 05:39.800 --> 05:43.800 Yeah. I'm sorry to have to do this ma'am, but there 05:43.800 --> 05:46.800 are a couple of things I've got to know. Go ahead. 05:46.800 --> 05:49.800 Want to give me his full name? Carl Hamlin. 05:49.800 --> 05:51.800 His age? 43. Does he live here? 05:51.800 --> 05:55.800 No. We had a house over in Bronson, 947. 05:55.800 --> 05:58.800 Do you have to go through all this? No, that's all Mrs. Hamlin. 05:58.800 --> 05:59.800 I'll get the rest of it later. Frank. 05:59.800 --> 06:01.800 Yeah. You want to finish up here? 06:01.800 --> 06:04.800 Sure. It's all so wrong. 06:04.800 --> 06:08.800 Carl said it's all wrong. Yes ma'am. 06:08.800 --> 06:11.800 Is there anything we can get for you? No. 06:11.800 --> 06:16.800 Do you want to go in the other room and sit down? That's better. 06:16.800 --> 06:18.800 Would you like to call your doctor for you? 06:18.800 --> 06:22.800 I've already called him from my mother. He's on the way over. 06:22.800 --> 06:26.800 Where is she now? In the back bedroom. She's lying down. 06:26.800 --> 06:30.800 This whole thing's been a shock for her. Yes ma'am, I can understand. 06:30.800 --> 06:34.800 When I talked to him, he said for me to give her one of those pills he prescribed. 06:34.800 --> 06:38.800 It's supposed to make her sleep. You're going to have to talk to her. 06:38.800 --> 06:41.800 Yes, we probably will. I hope you won't have to do it tonight. 06:41.800 --> 06:44.800 This whole thing's been a terrible shock to her. She's not too well anyway. 06:44.800 --> 06:46.800 Well, we'll try to avoid upsetting her any further. 06:46.800 --> 06:48.800 I'd appreciate it more than I could tell you. 06:48.800 --> 06:53.800 All right, Mrs. Hamlin. There are a few questions we've got to ask if you feel up to answering them. 06:53.800 --> 06:57.800 Might as well get it over with. What do you want to know? 06:57.800 --> 06:59.800 Do you want to tell us what happened? 06:59.800 --> 07:03.800 Well, Carl came over tonight, drunk. He crossed a big scene. 07:03.800 --> 07:06.800 Your husband doesn't live here then? No, we're separated. 07:06.800 --> 07:09.800 Who was here when the shooting took place? My mother and myself. 07:09.800 --> 07:12.800 Anybody else living here? No, just the two of us. 07:12.800 --> 07:16.800 What time did Mr. Hamlin get here? I'm not sure. I was asleep. 07:16.800 --> 07:19.800 I beg your pardon? I wasn't asleep. I don't know. 07:19.800 --> 07:22.800 I see. You weren't expecting him then? No. 07:22.800 --> 07:25.800 Last time I saw him, I told him to leave me alone. 07:25.800 --> 07:29.800 That I'd get a court order if I had to. We've been separated about a week this time. 07:29.800 --> 07:34.800 This isn't the first time then. No, there have been other times. This was the worst. 07:34.800 --> 07:38.800 I told him I was finished, but I didn't want anything more to do with him. 07:38.800 --> 07:43.800 He's been calling. Here, where I work, most of the time he was drunk. 07:43.800 --> 07:48.800 He kept asking for a reconciliation, saying how sorry he was, and asked me to take him back. 07:48.800 --> 07:54.800 I'm not blaming it all on him. I know some of it was my fault. 07:54.800 --> 08:00.800 Do you want to go on? He called me this afternoon. He had to see me. 08:00.800 --> 08:03.800 Had it all worked out, we could get back together again. 08:03.800 --> 08:06.800 I told him I didn't want to see him. I said for him to stay away. 08:06.800 --> 08:11.800 I came home and told my mother about it. I said Carl might show up, but if he did, I didn't want to see him. 08:11.800 --> 08:15.800 I kind of half expected him to show up, but he didn't. 08:15.800 --> 08:19.800 I went to bed after the 10.30 news. Mother stayed up to read. 08:19.800 --> 08:24.800 First I knew if there was anything wrong when I heard the shots. 08:24.800 --> 08:29.800 I got up and came right downstairs. Mother was standing in front of the study door. 08:29.800 --> 08:34.800 She told me that Carl was inside, that he'd shot himself. 08:34.800 --> 08:38.800 I tried to call him. At first I thought he was playing some kind of a joke. 08:38.800 --> 08:44.800 My mother said she'd heard Carl fall down in the room. I called you right away. 08:44.800 --> 08:47.800 Joe, what do you got? 08:47.800 --> 08:50.800 DOA slip. I'll put it on the call. The photo lab in the corner. 08:50.800 --> 08:53.800 I checked the gun's.38 revolver, one shot fired. 08:53.800 --> 08:55.800 That fits with the story I just got from his wife. 08:55.800 --> 08:58.800 I'll make the calls. 08:58.800 --> 09:00.800 I wonder if I could use your phone, Mrs. Hamler. 09:00.800 --> 09:01.800 What? 09:01.800 --> 09:02.800 I'd like to use your phone, please. 09:02.800 --> 09:04.800 Oh, it's in the hall, at the table there. 09:04.800 --> 09:07.800 Thank you. Did your mother tell you what happened? 09:07.800 --> 09:08.800 Yes, in a way. 09:08.800 --> 09:09.800 How do you mean that? 09:09.800 --> 09:13.800 She's over 70, Sergeant Frati. A thing like this isn't easy to go through at that age. 09:13.800 --> 09:14.800 I see. 09:14.800 --> 09:16.800 My mother and Carl didn't get along. 09:16.800 --> 09:19.800 He always said that she caused the trouble between us. 09:19.800 --> 09:23.800 He told me a couple of times that if she'd keep her nose out of our business, we might be able to get along. 09:23.800 --> 09:26.800 I wonder if it would be possible for us to talk to her. 09:26.800 --> 09:27.800 You have to. 09:27.800 --> 09:29.800 Yes, ma'am, we do. 09:29.800 --> 09:30.800 I'll go see. 09:30.800 --> 09:32.800 All right, thank you. 09:32.800 --> 09:34.800 Crew's on the way, Joan. 09:34.800 --> 09:35.800 There's gonna be more policemen out here? 09:35.800 --> 09:37.800 Yes, ma'am. We'll try to make it as brief as possible. 09:37.800 --> 09:38.800 I'd appreciate it. 09:38.800 --> 09:39.800 We'll do everything we can. 09:39.800 --> 09:40.800 I'll go get my mother. 09:40.800 --> 09:45.800 Thank you. 09:45.800 --> 09:46.800 She gave you the story? 09:46.800 --> 09:47.800 As much as she knew. 09:47.800 --> 09:48.800 What do you mean? 09:48.800 --> 09:51.800 Well, she said she wasn't in the room at the time her mother saw it happen. 09:51.800 --> 09:52.800 Oh. 09:52.800 --> 09:53.800 Did you turn anything in the other room? 09:53.800 --> 09:54.800 Mm-mm. 09:54.800 --> 09:57.800 As soon as we get a statement from her mother and the coroner gets here, we can shove off. 09:57.800 --> 09:59.800 Yeah. 09:59.800 --> 10:00.800 You can sit over here, Mother. 10:00.800 --> 10:01.800 Yes, dear. 10:01.800 --> 10:04.800 These men want to ask you some questions. 10:04.800 --> 10:07.800 This is my mother, Mrs. Gaylor, Sergeant Friday. 10:07.800 --> 10:08.800 This is Officer Smith. 10:08.800 --> 10:09.800 How do you do, ma'am? 10:09.800 --> 10:10.800 How are you, ma'am? 10:10.800 --> 10:11.800 How do you do? 10:11.800 --> 10:13.800 We'll try to make this as brief as possible, Mrs. Gaylor. 10:13.800 --> 10:14.800 Just a couple of questions we've got to ask. 10:14.800 --> 10:15.800 You go right ahead. 10:15.800 --> 10:17.800 If you get tired, Mother, you tell them and they'll stop. 10:17.800 --> 10:18.800 Yes, dear. 10:18.800 --> 10:20.800 Now, what time did your son-in-law get here tonight? 10:20.800 --> 10:21.800 I'm not sure. 10:21.800 --> 10:23.800 I think it was about 1130. 10:23.800 --> 10:24.800 Mm-hmm. 10:24.800 --> 10:26.800 No, I told me Mr. Hamlin might be coming over. 10:26.800 --> 10:31.800 But that time of night, you'd hardly expect anybody to come calling, would you? 10:31.800 --> 10:32.800 No, ma'am. 10:32.800 --> 10:33.800 He did. 10:33.800 --> 10:36.800 He always was doing something no one else did. 10:36.800 --> 10:39.800 I think he just sat around and tried to figure things to do that was different. 10:39.800 --> 10:40.800 Mm-hmm. 10:40.800 --> 10:44.800 Like tonight, came in drunk, yelled about how he wanted to have a showdown. 10:44.800 --> 10:46.800 I didn't know what he was talking about. 10:46.800 --> 10:47.800 Mm-hmm. 10:47.800 --> 10:52.800 Started to yell at me, told me how the split up was my fault, started to curse at me. 10:52.800 --> 10:53.800 Mm-hmm. 10:53.800 --> 10:55.800 I'm 73, Mr. Friday. 10:55.800 --> 10:58.800 I've seen a lot of things, met a lot of people. 10:58.800 --> 11:01.800 Isn't anybody who can talk to me like that? 11:01.800 --> 11:05.800 I told Mr. Hamlin, told him to get out of the house. 11:05.800 --> 11:07.800 That's when he pulled his gun out of his pocket. 11:07.800 --> 11:08.800 Yes, ma'am. 11:08.800 --> 11:10.800 Had it right in his coat, the outside pocket. 11:10.800 --> 11:11.800 I see. 11:11.800 --> 11:12.800 I told him. 11:12.800 --> 11:16.800 I said, Mr. Hamlin, you just stop this foolishness and get out of here. 11:16.800 --> 11:17.800 That's what I said to him. 11:17.800 --> 11:18.800 Oh, ma'am. 11:18.800 --> 11:21.800 He just looked at me and said, yeah, you'd like that, wouldn't you? 11:21.800 --> 11:23.800 Those are the exact words. 11:23.800 --> 11:25.800 Then he told me how he was going to kill himself to show me. 11:25.800 --> 11:26.800 Mm-hmm. 11:26.800 --> 11:28.800 I thought it was some kind of dramatics. 11:28.800 --> 11:31.800 But Hamlin was that kind, you know, always play, acting around. 11:31.800 --> 11:32.800 Yes, ma'am. 11:32.800 --> 11:33.800 Not this time. 11:33.800 --> 11:36.800 Next thing I know, he run into the study and locked the door. 11:36.800 --> 11:39.800 After that, there was a shot and I heard him fall down. 11:39.800 --> 11:41.800 Right then is when Nora came into the room. 11:41.800 --> 11:45.800 Oh, Mrs. Gaylor, I think we have all the information we need now. 11:45.800 --> 11:46.800 Okay, if I go to bed then? 11:46.800 --> 11:47.800 Yes, ma'am. 11:47.800 --> 11:48.800 Right ahead. 11:48.800 --> 11:49.800 Good night, then. 11:49.800 --> 11:50.800 You want to help me, dear? 11:50.800 --> 11:53.800 Yes, mother, I'll be right with you. 11:53.800 --> 11:56.800 I'll be waiting up for you. 11:56.800 --> 11:57.800 Mr. Friday? 11:57.800 --> 11:58.800 Yes, ma'am. 11:58.800 --> 12:00.800 Anything more you want to know about Mr. Hamlin? 12:00.800 --> 12:01.800 I'll tell you. 12:01.800 --> 12:02.800 No, I don't think there'll be anything else, ma'am. 12:02.800 --> 12:03.800 If there is, I'll tell you. 12:03.800 --> 12:05.800 All right, thank you, Mrs. Gaylor. 12:05.800 --> 12:06.800 I'll be in my room, Nora. 12:06.800 --> 12:09.800 All right, mother, I'll be right there. 12:09.800 --> 12:12.800 Taking this a lot better than I thought she would. 12:12.800 --> 12:13.800 Mrs. Hamlin. 12:13.800 --> 12:14.800 Yes, sir. 12:14.800 --> 12:15.800 Did your husband ever talk about suicide before? 12:15.800 --> 12:17.800 Yes, several times. 12:17.800 --> 12:18.800 Just this last week. 12:18.800 --> 12:19.800 I thought he was being dramatic again. 12:19.800 --> 12:20.800 I didn't pay much attention to him. 12:20.800 --> 12:24.800 It's so hard to tell if he was drunk or if he really meant something. 12:24.800 --> 12:27.800 All the years we were married, I don't think he was ever really serious. 12:27.800 --> 12:29.800 You got it wrong, haven't you? 12:29.800 --> 12:31.800 He was this time. 12:31.800 --> 12:36.800 One fourteen a.m. 12:36.800 --> 12:39.800 The photographer got to the house and took pictures of the room. 12:39.800 --> 12:41.800 The coroner removed the body to the county morgue, 12:41.800 --> 12:44.800 and at two thirty-seven a.m. Frank and I left the house. 12:44.800 --> 12:47.800 We went back to the office and filled out the 3.11.1 form, 12:47.800 --> 12:50.800 listing the death of Carl Martin Hamlin as a suicide. 12:50.800 --> 12:54.800 Frank called the coroner's office to find when we could get the results of the autopsy. 12:54.800 --> 12:57.800 They told us we'd have the necessary information late that afternoon. 12:57.800 --> 13:00.800 Three eighteen a.m. We signed out of the office and went home. 13:00.800 --> 13:03.800 At ten fifteen that morning, we got a call from Ray Pinker. 13:03.800 --> 13:06.800 He asked us to come right over to the crime lab. 13:06.800 --> 13:08.800 We were running a routine check this morning. 13:08.800 --> 13:10.800 Came up with a couple of things I think you'd like to know. 13:10.800 --> 13:11.800 All right, what do you got, Ray? 13:11.800 --> 13:13.800 Here, take a look. 13:13.800 --> 13:16.800 This is a bullet we fired from the gun found in the victim's hand. 13:16.800 --> 13:18.800 Yeah. 13:18.800 --> 13:21.800 Now there. You can see it weighs 130 grains. 13:21.800 --> 13:22.800 Uh-huh. 13:22.800 --> 13:24.800 Now this is the bullet that killed the man. 13:24.800 --> 13:26.800 Take a look. 13:26.800 --> 13:28.800 That's all out of shape. 13:28.800 --> 13:29.800 See anything else? 13:29.800 --> 13:31.800 No, looks all right to me. 13:31.800 --> 13:32.800 Yeah, what are you building, Ray? 13:32.800 --> 13:34.800 Well, I checked this one pretty carefully. 13:34.800 --> 13:36.800 Made sure that all of it was here. 13:36.800 --> 13:38.800 You know, that none of the lead had been sheared off my bone tissue. 13:38.800 --> 13:39.800 Yeah. 13:39.800 --> 13:40.800 None missing. It's complete. 13:40.800 --> 13:41.800 Yeah. 13:41.800 --> 13:43.800 Now, take a look. 13:43.800 --> 13:46.800 Here, let me put this one on the scales. 13:46.800 --> 13:49.800 Now, check it yourself. 13:49.800 --> 13:50.800 Ninety-five grains. 13:50.800 --> 13:53.800 Yeah. Thirty-five grains difference. 13:53.800 --> 13:55.800 Let me show you something else here. 13:55.800 --> 13:56.800 I figured the length of both bullets. 13:56.800 --> 13:58.800 They don't check out either. 13:58.800 --> 13:59.800 What's it mean, Ray? 13:59.800 --> 14:01.800 The bullet that killed Hamlin's a.380. 14:01.800 --> 14:02.800 It's a European calibration. 14:02.800 --> 14:03.800 Uh-huh. 14:03.800 --> 14:05.800 The gun he had in his hand's a.38 revolver. 14:05.800 --> 14:06.800 Yeah. 14:06.800 --> 14:07.800 .380 is automatic ammunition. 14:07.800 --> 14:09.800 Yeah. 14:09.800 --> 14:11.800 This fellow Hamlin pulled a pretty neat trick. 14:11.800 --> 14:12.800 Well, what do you mean, Ray? 14:12.800 --> 14:16.800 He killed himself with a bullet that couldn't possibly be fired from the gun he was holding. 14:16.800 --> 14:18.800 Huh. 14:18.800 --> 14:19.800 Sometimes you're out of place. 14:19.800 --> 14:20.800 Yeah. 14:20.800 --> 14:23.800 Might as well tear up the forms you filled out on this one. 14:23.800 --> 14:24.800 No suicide. 14:24.800 --> 14:25.800 Yeah. 14:25.800 --> 14:27.800 You gotta find a murder gun. 14:36.800 --> 14:40.800 You are listening to Dragnet, the authentic story of your police force in action. 14:40.800 --> 14:49.800 Today, one-way cigarettes, one size, that is, are almost obsolete because they just don't give smokers what they want. 14:49.800 --> 14:52.800 Either way, you'll like Chesterfield best. 14:52.800 --> 15:02.800 It's America's most popular two-way cigarette because only Chesterfield gives you the right combination of the world's best tobaccos. 15:02.800 --> 15:06.800 Tobaccos that are highest in quality, low in nicotine. 15:06.800 --> 15:08.800 Best for you. 15:08.800 --> 15:13.800 You and I smoke for relaxation, for comfort, for satisfaction. 15:13.800 --> 15:19.800 And in the whole wide world, no cigarette satisfies like a Chesterfield. 15:19.800 --> 15:25.800 You smoke with the greatest possible pleasure when your cigarette is Chesterfield. 15:25.800 --> 15:33.800 Yes, these six words, highest in quality, low in nicotine, mean Chesterfield is best for you. 15:33.800 --> 15:42.800 Get a carton of Chesterfields, Chesterfield Regular, Chesterfield King Size, both at the same price in most places. 15:42.800 --> 15:46.800 This is the best, Chesterfield. 15:46.800 --> 15:49.800 And the time to change today. 15:49.800 --> 16:02.800 1112 a.m. Frank and I, along with Ray Pinker, left the crime lab and we drove out to see Nora Hamlin. 16:02.800 --> 16:08.800 From the physical evidence on hand, the way the door had been locked and the fact that the windows had been bolted from the inside, 16:08.800 --> 16:12.800 it appeared unlikely that anybody could have left the room after Carl Hamlin had been shot. 16:12.800 --> 16:17.800 Yet from the information we'd gotten from Pinker, there had to be another gun involved in the killing. 16:17.800 --> 16:22.800 1124 a.m. We got to the house on Whitmore Drive. 16:22.800 --> 16:27.800 Good morning. I didn't expect to see you back so soon. You want to come in? 16:27.800 --> 16:29.800 Yes, ma'am. 16:29.800 --> 16:33.800 Miss Hamlin, this is Mr. Pinker from our crime lab. Ray, Miss Hamlin. 16:33.800 --> 16:34.800 It's nice to know you, Mr. Pinker. 16:34.800 --> 16:35.800 How do you do? 16:35.800 --> 16:37.800 Are there some more questions you have to ask? 16:37.800 --> 16:40.800 Yes, ma'am, that's right. I wonder if we could take another look at the study. 16:40.800 --> 16:42.800 Sure. Didn't the men who were here last night get what they needed? 16:42.800 --> 16:44.800 Well, we'd just like to check it again with Mr. Pinker here. 16:44.800 --> 16:46.800 Uh-huh. Well, you know where it is. 16:46.800 --> 16:48.800 How's your mother feeling this morning? 16:48.800 --> 16:50.800 She had a good sleep. The doctor gave her a sedative. She's still in bed. 16:50.800 --> 16:52.800 We'll try not to disturb her. 16:52.800 --> 16:55.800 Well, you go ahead with what you have to do. I'm trying to get the house in order. 16:55.800 --> 16:57.800 If there's anything you want, I'll be across the hall. 16:57.800 --> 16:59.800 Thank you. Thanks. 16:59.800 --> 17:00.800 That over here, right? 17:00.800 --> 17:02.800 Mm-hmm. 17:05.800 --> 17:07.800 This is where we found him. 17:07.800 --> 17:09.800 You can see there where we had to break the window to get in. 17:09.800 --> 17:11.800 Mm-hmm. 17:11.800 --> 17:12.800 Frank? 17:11.800 --> 17:12.800 Yeah. 17:12.800 --> 17:13.800 You got that sketch you made last night? 17:13.800 --> 17:16.800 Yeah. 17:16.800 --> 17:18.800 Yeah, here it is. Want to take a look, Ray? 17:18.800 --> 17:20.800 Yeah. 17:20.800 --> 17:22.800 You can see the body was about here. 17:22.800 --> 17:24.800 Mm-hmm. 17:24.800 --> 17:27.800 Over here. And the feet were about here. 17:27.800 --> 17:29.800 That's about right, isn't it, Joe? 17:29.800 --> 17:31.800 Yeah. It was right next to the chair there. 17:31.800 --> 17:33.800 Mm-hmm. That's the way I got it there. 17:33.800 --> 17:37.800 Just about on the perfect line between the floor lamp and the chair over there. 17:37.800 --> 17:39.800 Mm-hmm. 17:39.800 --> 17:40.800 What about the gun? 17:40.800 --> 17:41.800 In his right hand. 17:41.800 --> 17:43.800 Was the gun in his hand when you found him? 17:43.800 --> 17:44.800 Yeah, that's right. 17:44.800 --> 17:46.800 Pictures from the photo lab will bear that out. 17:46.800 --> 17:47.800 Sure is out in left field. 17:47.800 --> 17:48.800 How do you mean? 17:48.800 --> 17:50.800 I talked to Doc Newbar when he sent the bullet over. 17:50.800 --> 17:51.800 Mm-hmm. 17:51.800 --> 17:56.800 The way he described the wound, it's pretty tough to buy that a right-handed man could shoot himself so the slug would end up where it did. 17:56.800 --> 17:58.800 Exactly. How do you mean? 17:58.800 --> 18:01.800 Well, the bullet entered just to the right of the center of his chest. 18:01.800 --> 18:02.800 About here. 18:02.800 --> 18:03.800 Uh-huh. 18:03.800 --> 18:05.800 Came to rest under the right arm. Here. 18:05.800 --> 18:07.800 Line of travel's way off. 18:07.800 --> 18:11.800 Sure would have been an easier way to do it, huh? 18:11.800 --> 18:12.800 Yeah. 18:12.800 --> 18:14.800 What about the door when you found it? 18:14.800 --> 18:16.800 I'll show you how it was locked. 18:16.800 --> 18:18.800 Give me that chair, Frank. 18:18.800 --> 18:19.800 Yeah. 18:19.800 --> 18:21.800 Here you go. 18:21.800 --> 18:23.800 Well, the key was turned. 18:23.800 --> 18:25.800 The bolt was thrown. 18:25.800 --> 18:27.800 Mm-hmm. 18:27.800 --> 18:29.800 And then this chair was propped up under the knob like this. 18:29.800 --> 18:31.800 Mm-hmm. 18:31.800 --> 18:33.800 How about the key? Was it still in the lock? 18:33.800 --> 18:34.800 Yeah. 18:34.800 --> 18:36.800 Sure looks like he meant the door to stay shut. 18:36.800 --> 18:38.800 Yeah, we could figure that. 18:38.800 --> 18:40.800 The place looks pretty solid. 18:40.800 --> 18:42.800 Plaster walls. 18:42.800 --> 18:44.800 Not much chance of anybody getting through them. 18:44.800 --> 18:45.800 Mm-hmm. 18:45.800 --> 18:46.800 You check the bookcases? 18:46.800 --> 18:47.800 What do you mean? 18:47.800 --> 18:49.800 Any of them pull away from the wall? 18:49.800 --> 18:51.800 Well, I looked at them last night. They all seem solid enough. 18:51.800 --> 18:53.800 Mm-hmm. 18:53.800 --> 18:55.800 Now, you got any ideas, Ray? 18:55.800 --> 18:57.800 I don't know. 18:57.800 --> 18:59.800 The way that door looks, rest of the room. 18:59.800 --> 19:01.800 Doesn't seem likely anybody could have shot him 19:01.800 --> 19:03.800 then gone outside and locked the door. 19:03.800 --> 19:06.800 Think they could have come in through the window? 19:06.800 --> 19:07.800 You had to break it? 19:07.800 --> 19:08.800 Yeah. 19:08.800 --> 19:10.800 Well, it's set up. You shouldn't have any trouble finding the suspect. 19:10.800 --> 19:12.800 What do you mean? 19:12.800 --> 19:14.800 Find a butler built like an envelope. 19:14.800 --> 19:16.800 How'd he find him? 19:16.800 --> 19:18.800 You didn't see a shell casing around last night, did you? 19:18.800 --> 19:20.800 Well, there wasn't any reason to look for it. 19:20.800 --> 19:21.800 Mm-hmm. 19:21.800 --> 19:23.800 There's no sign of one now. Looks like the room's been cleaned. 19:23.800 --> 19:25.800 Yeah. 19:25.800 --> 19:27.800 Well, I guess we better check with the Hamlin woman, huh? 19:27.800 --> 19:33.800 I'll go get this stuff away from the door. 19:33.800 --> 19:37.800 Miss Hamlin? Miss Hamlin? 19:37.800 --> 19:39.800 Oh, yes. Just a minute. 19:39.800 --> 19:41.800 Something you want? 19:41.800 --> 19:43.800 Yes, ma'am. 19:43.800 --> 19:45.800 Has anybody been in the study since we left last night? 19:45.800 --> 19:47.800 I didn't know. I wasn't supposed to. 19:47.800 --> 19:49.800 You didn't say anything about it. 19:49.800 --> 19:51.800 Well, did you clean the room? 19:51.800 --> 19:53.800 Yes, I told you. I was straightening up the house. 19:53.800 --> 19:55.800 I ran the vacuum room here. 19:55.800 --> 19:57.800 What do you mean? 19:57.800 --> 19:59.800 Well, it looks like this, ma'am. See? 19:59.800 --> 20:01.800 The brass part on this bullet. 20:01.800 --> 20:03.800 No, I didn't see anything like that. 20:03.800 --> 20:05.800 Have you emptied your cleaner since you used it this morning? 20:05.800 --> 20:07.800 No. 20:07.800 --> 20:09.800 I wonder if we could see it. 20:09.800 --> 20:11.800 Sure. I don't understand what this is all about, 20:11.800 --> 20:13.800 but if you want to see the vacuum, I'll get it. 20:13.800 --> 20:15.800 If you want to tell me where it is, I'll get it for you. 20:15.800 --> 20:17.800 No trouble. In the closet here in the hall. 20:17.800 --> 20:19.800 Can I give you a hand with it? 20:19.800 --> 20:21.800 It's not heavy. You want the attachments, too? 20:21.800 --> 20:23.800 No, ma'am. Just the cleaner itself. 20:23.800 --> 20:25.800 Here it is. 20:25.800 --> 20:27.800 All right. 20:27.800 --> 20:29.800 Have we used a piece of this newspaper? 20:29.800 --> 20:31.800 Sure. Go ahead. I guess you know what you're doing. 20:31.800 --> 20:33.800 Is this the way you take the dust bag out? 20:33.800 --> 20:35.800 Yeah. Just flip that little catch on the side there. 20:39.800 --> 20:41.800 If you'll tell me what you're looking for, 20:41.800 --> 20:43.800 I might be able to help. 20:43.800 --> 20:45.800 How about it, right? 20:45.800 --> 20:47.800 Yeah. Here it is. 20:47.800 --> 20:49.800 380. What's all that mean? 20:49.800 --> 20:51.800 Do you have another gun in the house, Miss Hammer? 20:51.800 --> 20:53.800 You're pretty sure about that? 20:53.800 --> 20:55.800 Yes. What makes you think there might be another one? 20:55.800 --> 20:57.800 How many shots did you hear last night, Miss Hammer? 20:57.800 --> 20:59.800 What do you mean? 20:59.800 --> 21:01.800 Well, just that. How many shots did you hear? 21:01.800 --> 21:03.800 One. You're sure about that? 21:03.800 --> 21:05.800 Yes. Why? 21:05.800 --> 21:07.800 We've got reason to believe that there were two shots fired. 21:07.800 --> 21:09.800 What difference does it make how many there were? 21:09.800 --> 21:11.800 Pretty big difference. 21:11.800 --> 21:13.800 Why is it important? My husband killed himself. 21:13.800 --> 21:15.800 I can't be sure how many I heard. 21:15.800 --> 21:17.800 One, two, three, half a dozen. What difference does it make? 21:17.800 --> 21:19.800 Well, I would try to explain it to you. 21:19.800 --> 21:23.800 Your husband was holding a.38 caliber revolver when we found him. 21:23.800 --> 21:27.800 But the bullet that killed him came from a.380 automatic. 21:27.800 --> 21:29.800 I don't know what you're talking about. 21:29.800 --> 21:31.800 What are you trying to say? 21:31.800 --> 21:33.800 Well, I think you'll understand this. 21:33.800 --> 21:35.800 Your husband didn't kill himself. 21:35.800 --> 21:37.800 You're not serious? 21:37.800 --> 21:39.800 Afraid we are, ma'am. 21:39.800 --> 21:41.800 This whole thing is ridiculous. 21:41.800 --> 21:43.800 The evidence makes it true. 21:43.800 --> 21:45.800 Who'd kill him? Who'd have a reason? 21:45.800 --> 21:47.800 We'd like to know that too. Would you get your mother, please? 21:47.800 --> 21:49.800 I'd like to talk to her about it. 21:49.800 --> 21:51.800 What if you'd get her for it? 21:51.800 --> 21:53.800 I'm not going to have her dragged into anything. She's had enough trouble. 21:53.800 --> 21:55.800 There's no reason for you to make any more. 21:55.800 --> 21:57.800 Don't worry about it, Nora. 21:57.800 --> 21:59.800 Mother, you shouldn't be out of bed. 21:59.800 --> 22:01.800 I heard the talking. I've been listening. 22:03.800 --> 22:05.800 Haven't seen you before. 22:05.800 --> 22:07.800 You a policeman too? 22:07.800 --> 22:09.800 No, ma'am. I'm Ray Pinker. 22:09.800 --> 22:11.800 How do you do? Jesse Gaylor, Nora's mother. 22:11.800 --> 22:13.800 How are you? 22:13.800 --> 22:15.800 Now what's all this about Mr. Hamler not killing himself? 22:15.800 --> 22:17.800 What makes you think it is? 22:17.800 --> 22:19.800 A lot of things. Do you have a gun in the house? 22:19.800 --> 22:21.800 You mean a pistol? 22:21.800 --> 22:23.800 That's right. 22:23.800 --> 22:25.800 Mike, why? 22:25.800 --> 22:27.800 Where is it? 22:27.800 --> 22:29.800 In the table there. Left-hand drawer. 22:29.800 --> 22:31.800 I'll get it. 22:31.800 --> 22:33.800 How about it? 22:33.800 --> 22:35.800 380. 22:35.800 --> 22:37.800 That gun belonged to you, Miss Gaylor? 22:37.800 --> 22:39.800 Yes. My husband had it. 22:39.800 --> 22:41.800 All this talk about Mr. Hamlin. If he didn't kill himself, who do you think did? 22:41.800 --> 22:43.800 Well, that's what we're trying to find out. 22:43.800 --> 22:45.800 But you got somebody you're looking at, haven't you? 22:45.800 --> 22:47.800 Somebody you figured did it? 22:47.800 --> 22:49.800 This is your gun? 22:49.800 --> 22:51.800 You're the only person who witnessed the shooting. 22:51.800 --> 22:53.800 That's right. 22:53.800 --> 22:55.800 Well, why don't you tell us about it? 22:55.800 --> 22:57.800 Because if I did, you'd never believe it. 22:57.800 --> 22:59.800 Well, give us a try, huh? 22:59.800 --> 23:01.800 All right. 23:01.800 --> 23:03.800 Mr. Hamlin came here last night, 23:03.800 --> 23:05.800 like I said. He was drunk. 23:05.800 --> 23:07.800 Came in and started yelling. 23:07.800 --> 23:09.800 I was sitting in that chair reading. 23:09.800 --> 23:11.800 He started to curse at me. 23:11.800 --> 23:13.800 I didn't pay him no mind. 23:13.800 --> 23:15.800 I told him to go away. 23:15.800 --> 23:17.800 That Nora was through with him. 23:17.800 --> 23:19.800 He wouldn't go. 23:19.800 --> 23:21.800 All of a sudden he pulled out a gun 23:21.800 --> 23:23.800 and started waving it around. 23:23.800 --> 23:25.800 He said if I didn't get Nora, he'd kill himself. 23:25.800 --> 23:27.800 I thought it was just some more of his play act. 23:27.800 --> 23:29.800 I didn't pay any attention to him. 23:29.800 --> 23:31.800 Figured when he was through, he'd go away. 23:31.800 --> 23:33.800 I went back to the book. 23:33.800 --> 23:35.800 Made him madder never. 23:35.800 --> 23:37.800 He grabbed the book out of my hand 23:37.800 --> 23:39.800 and shot. 23:39.800 --> 23:41.800 Shot right at it. 23:41.800 --> 23:43.800 Then he threw it into the fireplace. 23:43.800 --> 23:45.800 He threw your book into the fireplace, is that right? 23:45.800 --> 23:47.800 That's right. Just all of a sudden 23:47.800 --> 23:49.800 something happened to me. 23:49.800 --> 23:51.800 Don't think I've ever been so mad. 23:51.800 --> 23:53.800 I took the gun out of the table there and shot him. 23:53.800 --> 23:55.800 Got real scared and ran into steady. 23:55.800 --> 23:57.800 Closed the door behind him. 23:57.800 --> 23:59.800 I heard him lock the door and move 23:59.800 --> 24:01.800 something up to the door. 24:01.800 --> 24:03.800 Must have been the chair. Yeah. 24:03.800 --> 24:05.800 I guess it was. 24:05.800 --> 24:07.800 Right after that I heard him fall down. 24:07.800 --> 24:09.800 Right after that Nora came into the room. 24:09.800 --> 24:11.800 Why didn't you tell me, Mother? 24:11.800 --> 24:13.800 There wasn't any reason to. 24:13.800 --> 24:15.800 I had to think about it. 24:15.800 --> 24:17.800 But I'd done what I had to do. 24:17.800 --> 24:19.800 I was going to call you men this morning 24:19.800 --> 24:21.800 and tell you the truth. 24:21.800 --> 24:23.800 I really was. 24:23.800 --> 24:25.800 You believe that? 24:25.800 --> 24:27.800 Well, I guess so. 24:27.800 --> 24:29.800 I really was. 24:29.800 --> 24:31.800 Just all of a sudden last night when he shot my book, 24:31.800 --> 24:33.800 I'd never been so mad. 24:33.800 --> 24:35.800 I really wanted to kill him. 24:35.800 --> 24:37.800 You remember it all pretty well, don't you? 24:37.800 --> 24:39.800 Yes, I do. All of it. 24:39.800 --> 24:41.800 You want to get a coat, Miss Gaylor? 24:41.800 --> 24:43.800 I'll have to take you downtown. 24:43.800 --> 24:45.800 Yes, sir. I'll do it right away. 24:45.800 --> 24:47.800 Let her go with her friend. Yeah. 24:51.800 --> 24:53.800 Is it going to be all right? 24:53.800 --> 24:55.800 We don't decide that, ma'am. 24:55.800 --> 24:57.800 But you told the truth. Isn't that going to make a difference? 24:57.800 --> 24:59.800 We'll put it down that way. 25:01.800 --> 25:03.800 You want to get that book ready? We're going to need it. 25:03.800 --> 25:05.800 Yes. 25:07.800 --> 25:09.800 She didn't say a word about it. 25:09.800 --> 25:11.800 Yeah, I know. The story's still pretty hard to believe, isn't it? 25:11.800 --> 25:13.800 Here we are. 25:13.800 --> 25:15.800 Here's the book Hamlin shot. 25:15.800 --> 25:17.800 Slug's still in it. 25:17.800 --> 25:19.800 Looks like a.38. 25:19.800 --> 25:21.800 Might have made her mad enough to kill him. 25:21.800 --> 25:23.800 Yeah. What is it, Mr. Friday? 25:23.800 --> 25:33.800 Holy Bible. 25:33.800 --> 25:35.800 The story you have just heard is true. 25:35.800 --> 25:37.800 The names were changed to protect the innocent. 25:37.800 --> 25:39.800 On July 14th, trial was held in 25:39.800 --> 25:41.800 Department 96, Superior Court of the State of California, 25:41.800 --> 25:43.800 in and for the County of Los Angeles. 25:43.800 --> 25:45.800 In a moment, the results of that trial. 25:45.800 --> 25:47.800 Now, here is our star, Jack Webb. 25:47.800 --> 25:49.800 Thank you, George Feneman. 25:49.800 --> 25:51.800 You notice how many King-Sci smokers are changing to Chesterfield? 25:51.800 --> 25:53.800 Everywhere, King-Sci smokers are finding it out. 25:53.800 --> 25:55.800 No other King-Sci cigarette has Chesterfield quality, 25:55.800 --> 25:57.800 tastes so good, or gives you such a refreshing smoke. 25:57.800 --> 25:59.800 What a pair. 25:59.800 --> 26:01.800 Chesterfield King-Sci's and Chesterfield Regular. 26:01.800 --> 26:03.800 They satisfy. 26:03.800 --> 26:05.800 Jesse Margaret Gaylor was examined by three psychiatrists 26:05.800 --> 26:07.800 appointed by the court and found to be insane 26:07.800 --> 26:09.800 during the commissioning. 26:09.800 --> 26:11.800 The court ruled that the two smokers 26:11.800 --> 26:13.800 were not allowed to smoke. 26:13.800 --> 26:15.800 The court ruled that the two smokers 26:15.800 --> 26:17.800 were not allowed to smoke. 26:17.800 --> 26:19.800 The court ruled that the two smokers 26:19.800 --> 26:21.800 were not allowed to smoke. 26:21.800 --> 26:23.800 She was put under the bail and made to a mental health record 26:23.800 --> 26:25.800 in a state hospital inゆnju. 26:25.800 --> 26:27.800 I'm not going to tell you anything. 26:27.800 --> 26:29.800 She was fully schooled this week. 26:29.800 --> 26:31.800 She was on the court and found to be insane 26:31.800 --> 26:33.800 during the commissioning of the crime. 26:33.800 --> 26:35.800 A sanity hearing was held and she was made a ward of the state. 26:35.800 --> 26:37.800 She was placed in the state hospital 26:37.800 --> 26:39.800 at Mendocino for treatment. 26:39.800 --> 26:41.800 This week, a group of men are meeting in New Orleans 26:41.800 --> 26:43.800 for the sixty-first annual conference 26:43.800 --> 26:45.800 of the International Association of Chiefs of Police. 26:45.800 --> 26:47.800 DRAGNET is pleased to extend 26:47.800 --> 26:49.800 its best wishes to our top law enforcement officers. 26:49.800 --> 27:11.340 You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official files. 27:11.340 --> 27:15.300 Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police, W.H. 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