1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,320 Ladies and gentlemen, the story you are about to hear is true. 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:22,400 The names have been changed to protect the innocent. 3 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,960 You're a detective sergeant. 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,620 You're assigned to Bunko Fugitive Detail. 5 00:00:26,620 --> 00:00:29,840 An organized gang of pickpockets is working in your city. 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,600 None of the victims can give a description of the suspects. 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,560 There's no lead to their identity. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,360 Your job, get them. 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,340 With the winter season coming on, Young America and all of us will be concentrating on our 10 00:00:45,340 --> 00:00:47,120 favorite winter sports. 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,600 Ice skating, bowling, basketball, skiing. 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:56,520 One thing you'll notice, whatever Young America does, wherever it goes, Chesterfield goes 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,520 along. 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,400 Yes, Chesterfield is the choice of Young America. 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Chesterfield is the choice of more thousands of smokers everywhere. 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,920 People are learning the facts about Chesterfield. 17 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,720 Learning that Chesterfield is highest in quality, low in nicotine. 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Learning that Chesterfield is really mild, really satisfying. 19 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,920 How about it, friends? 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,360 Change to Chesterfield yourself. 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:29,160 Look, America's most popular two-way cigarette, regular and king-size Chesterfield. 22 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,160 Best for you. 23 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:40,560 Dragnet, the documentary drama of an actual crime. 24 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,600 For the next 30 minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,100 travel step-by-step on the side of the law through an actual case transcribed from official 26 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:51,000 police files. 27 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,400 From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, Dragnet is the story of your police force 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,400 in action. 29 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,760 It was Tuesday, May 10th. 30 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,040 We were working the day watch out of Bunko Fugitive Division, pickpocket detail. 31 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,040 My partner's Frank Smith. 32 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,040 The boss is Captain Didion. 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,040 My name's Friday. 34 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,920 I was on my way back from communications and it was 1114 A.M. when I got to room 38. 35 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:16,920 Bunko. 36 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:17,920 Joe? 37 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:18,920 Yeah? 38 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:20,560 Anything come in from St. Louis? 39 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,480 Yeah, they checked the car and he's playing back there. 40 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:23,480 No trace of Beck. 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,480 Tup was wrong then, huh? 42 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Yeah, looks like it. 43 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,480 Or two now. 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,120 Well, about all we can do is sit and wait for a reply on the radiogram. 45 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,920 He's got to be someplace and he isn't going to stop working. 46 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:31,920 We'll be worried on him somewhere. 47 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:33,920 I'll be glad when we turn the key. 48 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:34,920 Excuse me. 49 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:35,920 Yes, sir? 50 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:37,520 I wonder if you could help me. 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,520 Oh, we'll try, sir. 52 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:39,520 You want to come on in? 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:40,520 What's it all about? 54 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,520 I've been robbed. 55 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,520 Sir? 56 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,520 They took my money, all of it, every bit. 57 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,520 I don't know how, but they took it all. 58 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,520 I don't know what to do. 59 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:46,520 I'm sorry. 60 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,520 I'm sorry. 61 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,520 I'm sorry. 62 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,280 They took my money, all of it, every bit. 63 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,280 You want to sit down? 64 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,280 Yes, please. 65 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,600 I don't know how they did it. 66 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,800 I tried to be so careful, but they took it all. 67 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,440 Thirty-seven years doing without, and now I've got nothing. 68 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,360 This is my partner, Frank Smith. 69 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,360 My name's Friday. 70 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,400 Maybe if you tell us what happened here, we could help you. 71 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Yes, maybe. 72 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,000 I'm Lewis Bonning. 73 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Yes, sir? 74 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,400 I live at 1820 Woodworth Court, Los Angeles 12. 75 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,400 I have a room there. 76 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:17,400 I see. 77 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,240 I get $14 a week in privileges. 78 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,400 If you tell us what happened, Mr. Bonning, we might be able to do something for you. 79 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,400 I'm trying to tell you. 80 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,280 I'm trying to think of what happened. 81 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,280 I don't believe it yet. 82 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,880 Oh, now you said you were robbed. 83 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:28,880 Is that right? 84 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Yes. 85 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,880 $5,200. 86 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,880 All gone. 87 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:32,880 Well, were you held up? 88 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,360 No, nothing like that. 89 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,800 If it was that way, I'd know. 90 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,620 Just all of a sudden, I put my hand in my pocket to feel the money, and it wasn't there. 91 00:03:40,620 --> 00:03:41,620 Nothing was there. 92 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:43,120 I had a pocket full of empty. 93 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,000 Now, sir, do you usually carry that much money around with you? 94 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,800 No, mister, I got it from the bank this morning. 95 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,800 I'm going away. 96 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,400 I was leaving Los Angeles. 97 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,400 That's why I had the money, so I could leave. 98 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,600 All right, sir, suppose you start right at the beginning and tell us the whole story, 99 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:57,600 will you? 100 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,000 Well, my wife passed on four weeks ago, Monday, April 4th. 101 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,960 That's when it happened, April 4th. 102 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,520 We came to this country when we were both young. 103 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:08,520 She died four weeks ago. 104 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,520 Yes, sir, if you'd go on about the theft, please. 105 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,160 Well, I thought I'd maybe go back to Chicago to live with one of my daughters. 106 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,840 She asked me to come, and I thought I would, so I drew out the money. 107 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:19,320 You took the money out of the bank? 108 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Yes, this morning. 109 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,320 $5,200. 110 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,680 It's what we'd saved. 111 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,040 I couldn't leave it here in the bank if I was going to be in Chicago. 112 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,440 Well, you could have had the money transferred, you know. 113 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,960 Well, I guess that's what I should have done, but it's too late now. 114 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Did you have the money when you left the bank? 115 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Yes. 116 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,400 I rolled the bills up and put them here in my pocket. 117 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Here, this one on the left side. 118 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,760 I kept my hand on the money so I knew it was there. 119 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,560 Now, what did you do after you left the bank? 120 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,280 Well, I was going home. 121 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:46,280 I thought I'd walk home. 122 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:49,960 I went down the street, and then I thought I'd stop for some coffee. 123 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,000 I was all packed at my room, so I didn't want to make a mess. 124 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,720 I thought I'd have a cup of coffee out. 125 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,440 I went into Big Market. 126 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,160 They have a coffee counter there, and I went in and sat down. 127 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,760 All the time I kept my hand on the money. 128 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,000 I could feel it through the pants. 129 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,000 It was in my pocket. 130 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Yes, sir. 131 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,360 I had the coffee, and then I went to go out of the market. 132 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,360 As I walked through, all the people, a box fell off a stack of boxes. 133 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,320 It almost hit me. 134 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,760 I didn't think anything about it. 135 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,280 Nobody was hurt. 136 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:19,000 All the people in the market came over to me and asked if I was all right. 137 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,680 But I said yes, I was all right. 138 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,040 Then I went out of the market. 139 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,520 I got on the street. 140 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,600 When I remembered about the money, it was gone. 141 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,840 Now, it had been taken from you in the market, is that right? 142 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:30,840 Yes, mister. 143 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:32,360 It was in the market, I think. 144 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,640 Well, let's get this straight. 145 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,200 While you were in there, did anyone bump into you? 146 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,440 I don't understand. 147 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,280 I mean, anyone jostle you, bump into you without reason. 148 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:43,080 No, no, I don't remember. 149 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,520 Did anybody follow you from the bank to the market that you noticed? 150 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,120 It was hard to tell, mister. 151 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,840 There are a lot of people on the street. 152 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:50,920 It would be hard to tell if there was anyone. 153 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:51,920 Yes, sir, I understand. 154 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,800 But was there any one person you recall having seen this morning? 155 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,600 One face that you might remember, maybe? 156 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,760 No, mister, I tried to think about it, but there's no one. 157 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:00,760 I see. 158 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,360 Do you think you'll get it back for me? 159 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,360 Sir? 160 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,360 The money. 161 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,360 It makes a big difference. 162 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,360 How's that? 163 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,320 Before, when I had the money, I could go and live with my daughter. 164 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,320 With the money, I could be independent. 165 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,520 It would be a different feeling. 166 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,120 You understand, don't you? 167 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,440 Yes, sir, I do. 168 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,360 That's why it's so important you get the money back so I can go live with my daughter, 169 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,320 so I can do that. 170 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,800 That's the only reason I trouble you. 171 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,960 The only reason I have to ask you to find the man. 172 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:25,960 That's the only reason I got him. 173 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,400 It's a little different with us, sir. 174 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,000 We've got another one. 175 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,240 For the past several weeks, we've been getting reports of the existence of an organized gang 176 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,600 of pickpockets working in Los Angeles. 177 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,600 Contrary to most opinion, a pickpocket seldom works alone. 178 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,560 Like everything else, it's gotten to be a highly specialized operation. 179 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,640 Normally, there are several men to each team. 180 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,920 The jug mob, who usually spends his time in banks looking for the victim. 181 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,600 The shovel, who pushes or bumps the victim so his money can be taken. 182 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,760 And the wire, who does the actual pocket picking. 183 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,560 In certain types of operation, the jug mob is replaced by the short, who works street 184 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,800 cars and spots people who have large amounts of money. 185 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,320 Under normal circumstances, a professional group of pickpockets can take approximately 186 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:14,000 $5,000 a day out of a tip or a crowd. 187 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,480 1147 a.m. 188 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,280 We had the victim, Louis Bonning, look through the pictures of known pickpockets for a possible 189 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,900 identification of the man who'd taken his money. 190 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:24,400 He was unable to find anybody who looked familiar. 191 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,120 We told him to go home, and we said that we'd be in touch with him. 192 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,120 1235 p.m. 193 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,920 Frank and I checked back into the office. 194 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,920 They're rough, huh? 195 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,320 Yeah, they all come out that color, don't they? 196 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,200 I sure hope we can do some good for them. 197 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,200 Yeah, nice old guy. 198 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,480 You want to get in touch with Slim Ramos? 199 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:40,480 Let's go down and talk to him. 200 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,480 He might be able to come up with something. 201 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,480 Yeah, I'll get his number. 202 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:43,480 I gotta get a new book. 203 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,480 This one's getting almost impossible to use. 204 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:47,480 Look at this. 205 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,480 The numbers all crossed out, you know, when they change the prefixes. 206 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:52,480 Yeah. 207 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,480 Sure made a mess out of my book. 208 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Here it is. 209 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,480 X book. 210 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Slim Ramos there? 211 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:17,480 Hey, Slim, this is Frank Smith. 212 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,480 Yeah. 213 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,480 Good. 214 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,480 Yeah, say, Slim. 215 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:21,480 Now, wait a minute. 216 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,480 No, the reason I called you, Joe and I'd like to come down and talk to you if it's okay. 217 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,480 You going to be there this afternoon? 218 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,480 Uh-huh. 219 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:29,480 No, nothing wrong. 220 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,480 Just a couple of things we want to check over with you. 221 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,480 Yeah. 222 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,480 Okay. 223 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,480 I'll be there at 2.30, huh? 224 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,480 Is that all right? 225 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,480 Yeah. 226 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,480 Okay. 227 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:39,480 No, I know where it is. 228 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:40,480 Right. 229 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,480 See you then. 230 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,480 He's going to be in all afternoon. 231 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,480 Said he'd be glad to see us. 232 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,480 Good. 233 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,480 Maybe he's got something we can use on this thing. 234 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,480 Well, he'll lay it out for us if he has. 235 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Well, it's the one good thing about starting with nothing, isn't it? 236 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,480 Yeah. 237 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,480 We can only go one way. 238 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,480 12.06 p.m. 239 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,480 Frank and I checked out of the office and we started for Santa Monica. 240 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,480 Slim Ramos had been one of the best pickpockets in the business. 241 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,480 He'd been arrested and served a term in San Quentin. 242 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,480 After he'd been paroled, he'd opened a small stand on one of the amusement piers near the 243 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:10,480 beach. 244 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,480 From his past record, Ramos had been cooperative with the police department and several arrests 245 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,480 were attributed to his information. 246 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,480 Ramos was operating a wheel of fortune booth at the end of the pier. 247 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,480 Frank and I parked the car and walked out. 248 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,480 Quite a place, huh? 249 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:26,480 Yeah. 250 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,480 I got to bring the kids down here some Sunday. 251 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:29,480 They get a real kick out of it. 252 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,480 Yeah. 253 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,480 That's Slim's booth there, isn't it? 254 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,480 Yeah. 255 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,480 I don't see him. 256 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,480 He said he'd be here. 257 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,480 He might be around back. 258 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,480 Yeah. 259 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,480 I'd sure like to win one of those hams. 260 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,480 Yeah. 261 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,480 Big ones, aren't they? 262 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,480 Uh-huh. 263 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,480 Slim, you around? 264 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Yeah, hold on. 265 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,480 Be right out. 266 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:47,480 Hi, Joe, Frank. 267 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,480 How are you? 268 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:49,480 I was in the back, packaging some groceries. 269 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,480 Uh-huh. 270 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:51,480 What can I do for you? 271 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,480 I'd like to talk to you about a cannon operation. 272 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,480 I should have known. 273 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,480 Come on back here. 274 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:56,480 We can sit down. 275 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,480 All right. 276 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,480 Watch your heads on the counter. 277 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,480 Yeah. 278 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,480 Got a couple of chairs back here. 279 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,480 Come on, I can finish up the sack. 280 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,480 All right. 281 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,480 Go ahead. 282 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:05,480 Oh, what's it about? 283 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,480 Have you got any rumbles about a bunch working in the downtown area? 284 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:09,480 What kind of operation? 285 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:10,480 Jug mob. 286 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,480 It's like I heard something about a bunch coming in from the East KC, I think. 287 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,480 It seems I heard they worked a couple of still dates with a county back there. 288 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,480 Boss didn't know they were working. 289 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,480 When he found out, he had them kicked off the lot. 290 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,480 You got any names for us? 291 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,480 No, not right off. 292 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,480 Got to check around. 293 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Might be able to come up with them. 294 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:25,480 What's the bet? 295 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,480 Yeah, they've been scoring good work in the downtown area. 296 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,480 Took an elderly man for his life savings this morning. 297 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,480 Uh-huh. 298 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:32,480 Figures. 299 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:33,480 Huh? 300 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,480 They always pick on the elderly ones. 301 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,480 Bump into a young guy might give you trouble. 302 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,480 Pick the old ones, they don't seem to notice it. 303 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:39,480 Yeah. 304 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,480 How you been doing, Slim? 305 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,480 Oh, good. 306 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:42,480 Got it real good. 307 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,480 I ain't killing the world, but my rent's paid. 308 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,480 I know there ain't going to be a fuzz on my tail tonight. 309 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,480 I got it real good. 310 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,480 How long you been here now? 311 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,480 I guess it's been about a year. 312 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,480 Thought if I could get permission, I might go out with a carny this year. 313 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:53,480 You know, work the front end? 314 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Got a letter from a friend that's got a grind store, the one of the big ones. 315 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,480 Says he might be able to get me in. 316 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,480 A grind store? 317 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,480 Yeah, you know, everybody plays, everybody wins. 318 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,480 You pay a dime to win a piece of slum worth maybe a couple of cents. 319 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,480 Well, this carny I might go with's got no grift in the front end or percentage games. 320 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,480 The way I figure it, if you go out with a good one, the weather holds, you're going to do all right. 321 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,480 Well, you figure you can come out better than you do here? 322 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:14,480 Oh, sure. 323 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,480 You see, we get a real good play over the weekends. 324 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,480 Regular days, it's kind of slow. 325 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,480 Go out with a big carny, you can draw crowds anytime if the weather's good. 326 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,480 Bound to come out better. 327 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,480 Mm-hmm. 328 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,480 You'll check into those names for us, will you, Slim? 329 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:25,480 Yeah, I'll make a couple of calls. 330 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,480 Can you make them now? 331 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,480 No, I have to get in touch with the guys tonight. 332 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:29,480 I'll get back to you first thing in the morning. 333 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:30,480 All right, fine. 334 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,480 Same number, Michigan 5211? 335 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:32,480 That's right, Bunko Fugitive. 336 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,480 Yeah, all right, I'll give you a call. 337 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,480 Buy you guys a cup of coffee? 338 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,480 No, thanks, Slim, we're just going to eat. 339 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,480 You want to come along? We'll buy you one. 340 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,480 Okay, now hold on while I check with Harry. 341 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,480 Have him keep an eye on things. 342 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:43,480 All right. 343 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,480 You go ahead. 344 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,480 Okay. 345 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:46,480 Now watch the counter. 346 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,480 I came up too fast the other day, like took all the skin off my back. 347 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Yeah. 348 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:50,480 Hold on a minute, I'll be right back. 349 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,480 All right. 350 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Nice looking place, huh? 351 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,480 Yeah. 352 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,480 He's painted it since we were down here last time. 353 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:58,480 Yeah. 354 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,480 Well, let's go. 355 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,480 You painted up the place, huh, Slim? 356 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,480 Yeah, I thought I might turn a bigger tip. 357 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,480 The place looked good, you know. 358 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,480 People like a clean looking place. 359 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,480 How are the rest of the booths doing down here, Slim? 360 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,480 Oh, pretty good. 361 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:11,480 I told you, weekends we do great. 362 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:12,480 Other times, a little slow. 363 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:13,480 Uh-huh. 364 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,480 Any griff down here? 365 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,480 No, at least if there is, I haven't heard of it. 366 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,480 Guy in the Santa Monica Police Department, Lieutenant Cunningham, 367 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,480 he keeps the place real clean. 368 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:21,480 Yeah, that's right. 369 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,480 Last thing I heard about was a guy 370 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,480 who was working with a camelback wheel. 371 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,480 A what? 372 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Camelback. 373 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,480 Like mine, only this was gaffed. 374 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:27,480 How? 375 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:28,480 Smoothest pitch around. 376 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,480 The arrow is connected to a spindle. 377 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,480 The spindle goes through a stand. 378 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Looks like it'd be no way to gee it. 379 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,480 Plain pipe, looks clean. 380 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,480 What's the gimmick? 381 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,480 Well, the frame rests on four pins. 382 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,480 Pins are supposed to be what anchors it to the counter. 383 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:40,480 Uh-huh. 384 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:41,480 Now, three of the pins go into one piece of the counter. 385 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,480 They really do hold the wheel in place. 386 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,480 The other one goes through a separate piece of wood 387 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:46,480 on the booth side of the counter. 388 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,480 There's a space between the board on the booth side 389 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,480 and one and three legs go through. 390 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:50,480 Yeah. 391 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,480 Now, the pin in the fourth leg is loose. 392 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,480 It's connected with a bunch of levers inside the pipe, 393 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,480 acts as a brake on the wheel. 394 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,480 All the operator has to do is lean against the board, 395 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,480 and he's got complete control of the wheel all the time. 396 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,480 Well, that's a real nice deal, isn't it? 397 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,480 Yeah, the way they figured, it's perfect. 398 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:04,480 In case they get a cowboy in the crowd, 399 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,480 the mark can pick the wheel right up out of the counter. 400 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,480 Shows that there's no wires running to it. 401 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,480 The wheel's gaffed, there's no way to prove it. 402 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,480 Set it up with a couple of sticks in front. 403 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,480 Let them win a couple of times, you got it made. 404 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,480 That's the way they figure it. 405 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,480 Doesn't work out, though. 406 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,480 Well... 407 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,480 You know, like on my wheel. 408 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,480 I got 120 numbers on it. 409 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,480 Figure I get good action, 410 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,480 I'm gonna have maybe half of them covered. 411 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,480 Right off, the odds are on my side. 412 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,480 Out of the rest, there's only one winner. 413 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,480 Half of them covered means a gross of about six bucks. 414 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,480 I give away $5 worth of groceries. 415 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,480 Even with a winner, I come out every time. 416 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,480 Percentage is proven. 417 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,480 Look at it that way, you don't need a gaffed wheel. 418 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,480 That's too bad, Mormon, don't figure it like that. 419 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,480 Yeah, I suppose. 420 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,480 Took me a long time to find it out. 421 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,480 Yeah, but you came up with the answers. 422 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,480 I hope I can do the same for you on the cannon operation. 423 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,480 So do we. 424 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:50,480 It's funny. 425 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,480 I get to think of when I was working as a wire. 426 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,480 How we figured that anytime we could lift a poke from the mark 427 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,480 was a big laugh. 428 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,480 A lot of difference now. 429 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,480 Yeah, right. 430 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Yeah. 431 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Now I sleep nights. 432 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,480 2.15 p.m. 433 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,480 We continued to talk to our informant, Slim Ramis. 434 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,480 He said that he didn't know the name of the carnival 435 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,480 the possible suspects had been fired from. 436 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,480 He said that he'd call some of his contacts 437 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,480 and try to get the information for us. 438 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,480 We set up a time for him to get in touch with us 439 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,480 and then Frank and I drove back to the office. 440 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,480 We contacted Captain Didion and made arrangements 441 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,480 for additional men to be assigned to help us. 442 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,480 Sergeant John DeBetta and Danny Gilmore were asked to aid us 443 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,480 in a search of the market where the victim had been robbed. 444 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,480 We spent the next three hours in the market 445 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,480 looking at the crowd in the hopes that we'd see a known pickpocket 446 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,480 or even see a wire in operation, 447 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,480 but the surveillance netted us nothing. 448 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,480 We made arrangements for the victim's bank 449 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,480 to be watched the following morning. 450 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,480 6.15 p.m. Frank and I got back to the squad room. 451 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Way sure does a good business, doesn't it? 452 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:50,480 What? 453 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,480 The market, Joe. A lot of people go in there. 454 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Yeah. 455 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,480 What's the matter with you? 456 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,480 Well, I was just thinking. 457 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,480 I guess it comes down to the point where the only way to hang on to your money 458 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,480 is to carry it in your hand and keep your fist closed. 459 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,480 It's very close. 460 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,480 I was talking with Lieutenant Jack Swan. 461 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,480 He was telling me a guy came in here from Nebraska, 462 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,480 came in by bus. Yeah. 463 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,480 He was sitting in the station waiting for a coach to take him up north. 464 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,480 Had all his money in his shoe. In his shoe? 465 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,480 Yeah. Had it in his left shoe. 466 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,480 Had the money all flat so we could walk on it. 467 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Figured it'd be safe there. 468 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:19,480 Well, wasn't it? 469 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,480 No. Dozed off for a minute. 470 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,480 Next thing you know, the shoe's off and the money's gone. 471 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,480 How would anybody know where it was? 472 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,480 I don't know. The guy that took it found it, though. 473 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,480 Guy dozed off for a minute, loses his shoe and all his money. 474 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,480 Anything turn up on it? No. 475 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,480 Again. 476 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,480 Bunker fugitive Friday. 477 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,480 Yeah. Yeah, Slim. 478 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,480 What was that name again? Yeah. 479 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,480 Mm-hmm. 480 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,480 What'd he say about it? 481 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,480 Wait a minute. 482 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,480 Frank? Yeah? 483 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,480 Here you go. 484 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,480 Pencil. Pencil, too? Yeah. 485 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,480 Okay. Thank you. All right, Slim. Go ahead. 486 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,480 What was that? With a K? 487 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,480 Mm-hmm. 488 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,480 What? 489 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,480 O-L-C? 490 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,480 C as in Charlie. O-T-T. 491 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,480 Right. You know where they're staying. 492 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,480 All right. 493 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,480 Give us a call if anything more turns up, huh? Right. 494 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,480 Okay, Slim. Thanks a lot. 495 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,480 Right. Bye. 496 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,480 How'd he do? 497 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,480 Well, pretty good. 498 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,480 Three names of the guys who worked the Kearney and KC. 499 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,480 Yeah. Slim talked to a friend, 500 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,480 got the information that the guys who work in the downtown area 501 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,480 have been scoring real good. 502 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,480 Say where we could find him? No. He's gonna try to get the address for us. 503 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,480 Well, we took a big jump just knowing who they are. 504 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,480 The deal now is to make it work. What do you mean? 505 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,480 Well, Slim says his bunch is pretty hinky. 506 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,480 They're playing it real careful. Yeah. 507 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,480 Turns out they got two more big scores to make 508 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,480 and then they're gonna leave town. 509 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,480 You are listening to Dragnet, 510 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,480 the authentic story of your police force in action. 511 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,480 Smokers by the thousands 512 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,480 are now changing to Chesterfield 513 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,480 because they're learning the facts about Chesterfield. 514 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,480 Facts like these. 515 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,480 A doctor has been examining Chesterfield smoker 516 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,480 and he's been able to find out 517 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,480 that the smoker is a smoker. 518 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,480 Smoker? 519 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,480 Smoker? 520 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,480 Smoker? 521 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,480 A doctor has been examining Chesterfield smokers 522 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,480 for 20 months, almost two full years now. 523 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,480 We've just received his latest report 524 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,480 and it confirms again 525 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,480 no adverse effects 526 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,480 to the nose, throat, and sinuses 527 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,480 from smoking Chesterfield. 528 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,480 That's a matter of record. 529 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,480 And so is this. 530 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,480 Chesterfield is the only cigarette 531 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,480 proved highest in quality, 532 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,480 low in nicotine. 533 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,480 Those are the facts about Chesterfield. 534 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,480 More than that, 535 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,480 more facts about Chesterfield. 536 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,480 More good reasons why Chesterfield's 537 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,480 tastes so good. 538 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,480 Smoke so much milder. 539 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,480 How about it, friends? 540 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,480 Smoke America's most popular 541 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,480 two-way cigarette, Chesterfield. 542 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,480 Regular and king-size. 543 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,480 Best for you. 544 00:17:51,480 --> 00:18:01,480 The three names our informant had given us 545 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,480 were Howard Kremer, Victor Lydon, and Edward Olcott. 546 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,480 We had the names checked through our record bureau, 547 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,480 but we found that none of the three men had been arrested in Los Angeles. 548 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,480 We got a radiogram off to the police department in Kansas City, 549 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,480 the last place the trio was known to have worked. 550 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,480 We asked that all information on the thieves be forwarded to us. 551 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,480 We also sent a teletype to George Bratton 552 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,480 up at Sacramento CII asking him to check the names for us. 553 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,480 The following morning, Wednesday, May 11th, 554 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,480 we got word from Kansas City that the officials there 555 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,480 were forwarding mugshots and descriptions of the three men. 556 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,480 During the day, Frank and I met with Captain Didion, 557 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,480 and a surveillance of the downtown area banks was set up. 558 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,480 On Friday morning, when Frank and I checked into work, 559 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,480 a special delivery letter was waiting for us. 560 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,480 In it, we found the records and pictures of Kremer, Lydon, and Olcott. 561 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,480 The pictures were handed over to the photo lab, 562 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,480 and they started to reproduce them. 563 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,480 The descriptions were sent to the print shop, 564 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,480 and ammo sheets were made up. 565 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,480 As soon as possible, the pictures and the bulletins 566 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,480 were distributed to all bank guards in the area. 567 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,480 Additional officers were sent to the bank, 568 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,480 and they were sent to the bank to collect the evidence. 569 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,480 The bulletins were distributed to all bank guards in the area. 570 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,480 Additional officers from Bunko Fugitive were placed in the vicinity. 571 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,480 Frank and I maintained a ruling stakeout in the downtown area. 572 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,480 At 9 p.m. Friday night, the banks closed, 573 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,480 and we'd gotten no report that the thieves had worked. 574 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,480 Local broadcasts were gotten out on the men, 575 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,480 but there were no replies. 576 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,480 Monday, May 16th, the plan was put into effect again. 577 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,480 No results. 578 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,480 Tuesday, the gang didn't work. 579 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,480 Began to look as if they might have closed up operations 580 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,480 in Los Angeles and moved on. 581 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,480 Wednesday, May 18th, Frank and I came back from lunch. 582 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,480 I'll get it. 583 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,480 Bunko Fugitive, Friday. 584 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,480 Yes, sir. 585 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,480 That's right. 586 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,480 Where? 587 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,480 Right. No, don't do anything to let them know. 588 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,480 Right. 589 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,480 Let's go. Something good? 590 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,480 The shover, bank guard, just spotted him. 591 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,480 The call had come from a bank 592 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,480 at the corner of 7th and Jackson Streets. 593 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,480 The guard told us that he'd seen one of the suspects 594 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,480 enter the bank and, under the pretense of filling out deposit slips, 595 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,480 observe the withdrawals that the customers were making. 596 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,480 It took us a little under three minutes to get to the address. 597 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,480 We checked with the guard, and he pointed out the suspect. 598 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,480 Frank pretended to make out a deposit slip 599 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,480 while I waited at the new account desk. 600 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,480 When we entered the bank, 601 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,480 the suspect was standing at the teller's window. 602 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,480 In front of him was an elder, 603 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,480 and as the line moved up, 604 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,480 the suspect began to examine the slip that he'd made out. 605 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,480 Then, as the elderly man took his turn at the window, 606 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,480 the suspect walked away and stopped by the door. 607 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,480 He waited for the man to finish his business 608 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,480 at the teller's counter. 609 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,480 Then, as he passed through the door, 610 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,480 the suspect fell and stepped behind him. 611 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,480 Frank and I followed him down the street. 612 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,480 As he walked through the crowds, 613 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,480 he was joined by Edward Alcott, the shover in the operation. 614 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,480 The elderly man entered a small tobacco store, 615 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,480 and as he went through the door, 616 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,480 the wire, Howard Kremer, 617 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,480 joined the other two suspects. 618 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,480 As the elderly man stood at the counter, 619 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,480 waiting to be served, 620 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,480 the shover walked over to the magazine rack. 621 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,480 He stood looking at the magazines for a moment, 622 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,480 and then as he turned away, he seemingly tripped 623 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,480 and fell against the proposed victim. 624 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,480 Both Frank and I knew it was coming. 625 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,480 We were watching for it, and yet we missed the actual theft. 626 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,480 The wire moved in and removed the victim's money 627 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,480 so fast that we couldn't see it. 628 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,480 The shover took the wallet from the wire, 629 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,480 and the gang was ready to move on. 630 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,480 Frank and I stepped into them. 631 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,480 Police officers, you're under arrest. 632 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,480 Stop dreaming. You know the route. 633 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,480 Beat him! 634 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,480 All right, mister, come on. 635 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,480 Get up. 636 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,480 There wasn't a cop. Leave me alone. 637 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,480 You're going to regret this. 638 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,480 Shoving a citizen around, no reason for this. 639 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,480 How about the other two? They're out. 640 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,480 How about the victim? 641 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,480 He left when the beef started. Better try to catch him. 642 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,480 You're going to be sorry for this. 643 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,480 You're going to be real sorry shoving an honest citizen around. 644 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,480 That's the trouble with you, punks. 645 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,480 You're wrong on both counts. 646 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,480 The three suspects were taken into custody 647 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,480 and brought downtown. The victim's wallet was found 648 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,480 on the person of Edward Alcott. 649 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,480 It was identified by the owner and booked as evidence. 650 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,480 3.15 p.m. We took the wire, Howard Kremer, 651 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,480 to the interrogation room. 652 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,480 Sit down, Kremer. 653 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,480 All right, you want to give us a statement? 654 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,480 For what? Come off it. You know what we're talking about. 655 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,480 You got to have me crossed with somebody else. 656 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,480 I'm trying to level with you. I don't know what you're talking about. 657 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,480 You want us to lay it out for you? 658 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,480 I don't care much either way. You guys slam into a store 659 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,480 where I'm trying to buy a pack of cigarettes and all of a sudden 660 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,480 I got handcuffs on, you tell me I'm hooked for being a pickpocket. 661 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,480 That's the way you want to tell it, huh? 662 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,480 You're two friends tell it different. What two friends? 663 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,480 Two fellows we picked up with you. 664 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,480 This is a big town, a lot of people. You walk into a store, 665 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,480 you don't ask who's standing next to you. They put the whole deal on you. 666 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,480 Who? Lydon and Alcott. 667 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,480 Never heard of them. 668 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,480 How long do you figure you're going to keep this up, mister? 669 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,480 As long as it takes to get you on my side. 670 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,480 They don't build days that long. That's your loss. 671 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,480 I'm a nice fellow if you take the time to get to know me. 672 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,480 All right, Kremer, this is way off the road. Now maybe you got all day, we haven't. 673 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,480 You can either give it to us here and now 674 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,480 or we can drop you into a cell and let you wait it out. 675 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,480 You put me in a tank and I'll be out in half an hour. 676 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,480 How many times have you been arrested? 677 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Who says there was a first? 678 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,480 How many times? You got the books? Look it up. 679 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,480 We ask you a question. So I'm not a genius. 680 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,480 I got trouble with audition. 681 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,480 Take everything out of your pockets. What? Come on. 682 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,480 Well, why? 683 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,480 You're running out of funny time here, Kremer. 684 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,480 Then you better ring the bell because I'll need more of it. 685 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,480 You got a job? Yeah, I'm the president of a bank. 686 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,480 You're going way out on this, Kremer. I like the scenery. 687 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,480 You work? Yeah. Where? Round, no special place. 688 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,480 What do you do? I'm a sales. What do you sell? 689 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,480 Whatever people can afford. All right, now come on. 690 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,480 You can sign a receipt? They aren't going to be taken from me. 691 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,480 You want to see what you're carrying. Okay. 692 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,480 You boys deserve a break, but I'll tell you now, 693 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,480 the numbers in my phone book are mine. Don't go near them. 694 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,480 Come on, get it up. 695 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,480 Here's my wallet. 696 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,480 Handkerchief, toenail clippers, some change. 697 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,480 Couple of ticket steps from a movie. 698 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,480 A lousy picture. Cigarette slider, that's it. 699 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,480 You got any money in that wallet? Yeah. 700 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,480 How much? I don't know. I don't pay much attention to how much I'm carrying. 701 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,480 You can't even come close to how much you got. 702 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,480 No. Take it out and count it. 703 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,480 Okay. 704 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,480 One, two, three. 705 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,480 All right. Comes out to $3,700. 706 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,480 You must do real good at that salesman's job. 707 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,480 Company pays big commissions. I'd put the money in your pocket. 708 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,480 Why don't you put it in yours? What did you say? 709 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,480 Look, cop, I've been around. 710 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,480 I've been with most of the carnies in the country one time or another. 711 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,480 I know the score. There ain't a place in the world that the fix can't be put in. 712 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,480 Now why don't you just take the money? 713 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,480 You drop it in your pocket, and I'll forget I was ever in here. 714 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,480 Won't be nobody hurt. 715 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,480 The old guys may be out a couple hundred bucks, but so what? 716 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,480 He won't miss it. 717 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,480 Why not put the fix in? We'll both come out all right. 718 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,480 No, the fix just curdled, Kramer. 719 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,480 What? You said we had the record. Will you call it? 720 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,480 We got all the word about you. 721 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,480 Way down the line, you talk about how you worked with carnies. How long? 722 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,480 Huh? What's the longest time you ever stayed with one outfit? 723 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,480 I like to move. Yeah, sure you do. 724 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,480 That's the way the people who run the show want it. 725 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,480 Decent carnie doesn't want a guy like you around. You or anybody like you. 726 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,480 You've been on the road taking money away from people who can't afford it for a long time. 727 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,480 Now we nail you, and you come in here acting like a big man. 728 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,480 You do the indignant bit, and then when that doesn't work, you try to buy your way out. 729 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,480 You've had it, mister. We know it, and your two buddies know it. 730 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,480 When are you gonna take a good look? 731 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,480 You really figure you've got it made, huh? We know we have. 732 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,480 The other two guys really cop out? 733 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,480 The whole thing. All comes down to how you engineered it. 734 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,480 You abide what they say? We abide. 735 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,480 Uh-huh. 736 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Then there isn't much more for me to say, is there? 737 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,480 Not a great deal, no. Okay, let's go. 738 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,480 How about a statement? Why? Make it easier on yourself. 739 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,480 Easier if I cop out? You know what I mean. 740 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,480 Yeah, all right. 741 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,480 Bring the girl in. I'll give you a statement. 742 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,480 Bring? Yeah. 743 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,480 You mind if I have a smoke? 744 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,480 What was that? 745 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,480 I said, you mind if I have a smoke? No, go ahead. 746 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Wild one, isn't it? What? 747 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,480 Had it all down so fast. 748 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,480 Good shover, better jug moth. 749 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,480 I'll sit in the front row with any wire in the business. 750 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,480 All that and it don't add up to a win. 751 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,480 That's like you said. Huh? 752 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,480 You got trouble with addition. 753 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,480 The story you have just heard is true. 754 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,480 The names were changed to protect the innocent. 755 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,480 On September 14th, trial was held in 756 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,480 Department 96, Superior Court of the State of California, 757 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,480 in and for the County of Los Angeles. 758 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,480 In a moment, the results of that trial. 759 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,480 Howard Nathan Kremer, Edward Francis Hallcott, 760 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,480 and Victor Frederick Leiden were tried and convicted 761 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,480 on six counts of grand theft money 762 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,480 and received sentence as prescribed by law. 763 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,480 Grand theft money is punishable by imprisonment 764 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,480 in the state penitentiary for a period of not less than one 765 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,480 nor more than ten years. 766 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,480 You have just heard Dragnet, 767 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,480 a series of authentic cases from official files. 768 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,480 Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police, 769 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,480 W.H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department. 770 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,480 Technical advisors, Captain Jack Donahoe, 771 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,480 Sergeant Marty Wynn, Sergeant Vance Brasher. 772 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,480 Heard tonight were Ben Alexander, Ralph Moody, Herb Bygren. 773 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,480 Script by John Robinson. 774 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,480 Music by Walter Schuman. 775 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,480 Hal Gibney speaking. 776 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,480 Watch an entirely different Dragnet case history 777 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,480 each week on your local NBC television station. 778 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,480 Check your newspapers for the day and time. 779 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,480 Chesterfield has brought you Dragnet transcribed from Los Angeles. 780 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,480 Buy new Fatima, the smooth smoke, 781 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,480 with Fatima tips of perfect cork. 782 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,480 King size for longer filtering, 783 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,480 and Fatima quality for a much better flavor and aroma. 784 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,480 This Christmas give Fatima in the special Christmas carton, 785 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,480 cork tip and plain ends too. 786 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:19,480 Music by John Robinson. 787 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:36,480 Here Merrill Muller and the news next on the NBC Radio Network.