WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.040 Ladies and gentlemen, Crime Prevention Week, now being observed nationally, is designed 00:06.040 --> 00:10.480 for one purpose, to emphasize that crime is your personal enemy. 00:10.480 --> 00:16.080 It costs money and lives, it weakens the moral and physical strength of your community. 00:16.080 --> 00:21.480 Show your respect for the law by cooperating with your police officer 52 weeks a year. 00:21.480 --> 00:32.160 Join the fight to stamp out crime, the ally of treason. 00:32.160 --> 00:35.160 The story you are about to hear is true. 00:35.160 --> 00:38.040 Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent. 00:38.040 --> 00:51.400 Fatima cigarettes, best of all long cigarettes, brings you dragnet. 00:51.400 --> 00:55.040 You're a detective sergeant, you're assigned to bunko detail. 00:55.040 --> 01:00.320 A husband and wife confidence team has shifted operations to your city. 01:00.320 --> 01:03.080 Their criminal record dates back 17 years. 01:03.080 --> 01:06.160 They're masters in the art of swindling. 01:06.160 --> 01:11.840 Your job, get them. 01:11.840 --> 01:16.760 You'll be amazed when you compare Fatima with other long cigarettes. 01:16.760 --> 01:19.880 You'll find they now cost the same. 01:19.880 --> 01:23.880 But in Fatima, the difference is quality. 01:23.880 --> 01:30.260 You see, Fatima is the quality king size cigarette because it contains the finest domestic and 01:30.260 --> 01:33.560 Turkish tobacco superbly blended. 01:33.560 --> 01:39.920 And Fatima is extra mild, with a much different, much better flavor and aroma than any other 01:39.920 --> 01:41.320 long cigarette. 01:41.320 --> 01:43.560 So compare Fatima yourself. 01:43.560 --> 01:50.560 Fatima's now cost the same as other long cigarettes, but your first pop will tell you. 01:50.560 --> 01:52.560 Ah, that's different. 01:52.560 --> 01:57.400 Yes, in Fatima, the difference is quality. 01:57.400 --> 02:02.880 Ask your dealer for Fatima, the quality king size cigarette. 02:02.880 --> 02:05.900 Best of all long cigarettes. 02:05.900 --> 02:14.240 And enjoying Fatima tomorrow. 02:14.240 --> 02:17.080 Dragnet, the documented drama of an actual crime. 02:17.080 --> 02:22.080 For the next 30 minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will 02:22.080 --> 02:26.600 travel step by step on the side of the law through an actual case transcribed from official 02:26.600 --> 02:27.600 police files. 02:27.600 --> 02:33.680 From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, Dragnet is the story of your police force 02:33.680 --> 02:34.680 in action. 02:34.680 --> 02:39.440 It was Monday, April 20th. 02:39.440 --> 02:41.200 It was windy in Los Angeles. 02:41.200 --> 02:43.680 We were working the day watch out of bunko detail. 02:43.680 --> 02:45.360 My partner's Ben Romero. 02:45.360 --> 02:46.360 The boss is Captain McCauley. 02:46.360 --> 02:47.360 My name's Friday. 02:47.360 --> 02:51.920 We were on the way out from the office and it was 10.35 a.m. when we got to the Holy 02:51.920 --> 02:53.920 Gospel Tabernacle. 02:53.920 --> 03:00.280 The pastor's house. 03:00.280 --> 03:01.560 Look at that palm tree. 03:01.560 --> 03:02.560 Yeah. 03:02.560 --> 03:04.680 Windstorm sure didn't do it any good. 03:04.680 --> 03:06.040 It was really blowing last night. 03:06.040 --> 03:07.400 It woke me up a couple of times. 03:07.400 --> 03:08.400 Yeah, not me. 03:08.400 --> 03:09.400 I slept like a baby. 03:09.400 --> 03:16.960 What'd you say the name here was, Olsen? 03:16.960 --> 03:20.960 We got it right here. 03:20.960 --> 03:23.960 Reverend Andrew Olsen. 03:23.960 --> 03:26.960 Doesn't seem to be anybody home. 03:26.960 --> 03:31.960 I'll try it again. 03:31.960 --> 03:32.960 Huh? 03:32.960 --> 03:36.400 We said on the phone he'd either be here at the church. 03:36.400 --> 03:37.400 Where's that? 03:37.400 --> 03:38.400 Just around the corner. 03:38.400 --> 03:39.400 Faces on South Spring. 03:39.400 --> 03:45.840 Not a very wealthy looking neighborhood. 03:45.840 --> 03:50.960 There must be the church up there. 03:50.960 --> 03:55.920 Sure could stand a coat of paint. 03:55.920 --> 03:57.520 Grounds are well kept, aren't they? 03:57.520 --> 03:58.520 Nice flower beds. 03:58.520 --> 03:59.520 Look at that. 03:59.520 --> 04:00.520 Giant pansies. 04:00.520 --> 04:03.200 Tried some in the backyard last year. 04:03.200 --> 04:04.200 Too bad. 04:04.200 --> 04:05.200 What do you mean? 04:05.200 --> 04:06.200 Giant snails. 04:06.200 --> 04:09.200 I sliced them right off at the roots. 04:09.200 --> 04:15.200 Yes, that must be him up at the front. 04:15.200 --> 04:18.200 Better close the door, huh? 04:18.200 --> 04:21.200 Oh, yeah. 04:21.200 --> 04:24.200 Come on. 04:24.200 --> 04:29.200 Excuse me, sir? 04:29.200 --> 04:32.560 Oh, didn't see you. 04:32.560 --> 04:33.560 You the Reverend Olsen? 04:33.560 --> 04:34.960 Yes, can I help you? 04:34.960 --> 04:35.960 My name's Friday, Reverend. 04:35.960 --> 04:36.960 I talked to you on the phone. 04:36.960 --> 04:37.960 Oh, yes, Sergeant. 04:37.960 --> 04:38.960 And this is my partner, Sergeant Romero. 04:38.960 --> 04:39.960 How do you do? 04:39.960 --> 04:40.960 How are you? 04:40.960 --> 04:41.960 Had a night. 04:41.960 --> 04:42.960 Sergeant Marrow? 04:42.960 --> 04:43.960 Oh, that's Romero, Reverend. 04:43.960 --> 04:46.280 Oh, excuse me, Romero. 04:46.280 --> 04:47.280 Didn't expect you so soon. 04:47.280 --> 04:49.280 A little busy here fixing the pulpit. 04:49.280 --> 04:51.280 It happened last Sunday. 04:51.280 --> 04:52.280 What's that, Rimmer? 04:52.280 --> 04:54.480 I guess I got carried away with my sermon. 04:54.480 --> 04:55.480 Quite a commotion. 04:55.480 --> 04:56.480 Oh? 04:56.480 --> 04:57.480 I leaned forward in the pulpit. 04:57.480 --> 05:00.160 This whole section here just splintered and broke right off. 05:00.160 --> 05:02.160 Ruined my whole sermon. 05:02.160 --> 05:04.880 Well, I can finish this up later. 05:04.880 --> 05:05.880 Have a chair there, officers. 05:05.880 --> 05:06.880 No, thanks very much. 05:06.880 --> 05:11.880 Well, there it is, Sergeant. 05:11.880 --> 05:16.880 The names, descriptions. 05:16.880 --> 05:19.880 Mr. and Mrs. Tom Herbert. 05:19.880 --> 05:21.680 That's the name they used anyway. 05:21.680 --> 05:24.240 Would you mind briefing us on how it happened, Reverend? 05:24.240 --> 05:26.000 When did you first meet this couple? 05:26.000 --> 05:28.040 They came to us a little over a month ago. 05:28.040 --> 05:30.920 They didn't have any reason to be suspicious. 05:30.920 --> 05:32.680 Mr. Herbert showed me some fine references. 05:32.680 --> 05:34.520 I didn't think it was necessary to check them. 05:34.520 --> 05:36.920 What kind of approach did they use, could you tell us? 05:36.920 --> 05:40.120 On the first visit, Mrs. Herbert did most of the talking. 05:40.120 --> 05:43.040 She told me she and her husband wanted to write a history of our church. 05:43.040 --> 05:47.480 It was supposed to be part of an historical book on all the churches in the county. 05:47.480 --> 05:50.360 Naturally, I felt a little flattered about it. 05:50.360 --> 05:54.600 Did this Mr. and Mrs. Herbert make any demands for money or to write about your church, I 05:54.600 --> 05:55.600 mean? 05:55.600 --> 05:58.200 There was no money involved at first. 05:58.200 --> 06:01.880 They said all they wanted was our cooperation in doing some of the research work. 06:01.880 --> 06:05.200 You know, looking up dates, names, things like that. 06:05.200 --> 06:06.200 Oh, I see. 06:06.200 --> 06:08.960 They seemed very sincere, both of them. 06:08.960 --> 06:09.960 Didn't drink, smoke. 06:09.960 --> 06:12.840 They worked very hard during the search and writing. 06:12.840 --> 06:14.840 I don't know why they had to change. 06:14.840 --> 06:17.560 It would have been nice having history written about our church. 06:17.560 --> 06:18.560 Yes, sir. 06:18.560 --> 06:20.600 When did they first bring up the idea of money? 06:20.600 --> 06:23.760 Well, Mr. Herbert came to me one day and showed me this letter. 06:23.760 --> 06:27.920 It was supposed to be from the people who were going to publish the history of our church. 06:27.920 --> 06:32.840 The letters said, well, because of certain business reasons, the whole thing was off. 06:32.840 --> 06:34.840 They couldn't publish the book. 06:34.840 --> 06:36.080 Mr. Herbert acted very sorry. 06:36.080 --> 06:38.200 Did he leave that letter with you, Reverend? 06:38.200 --> 06:40.240 No, he took it with him. 06:40.240 --> 06:41.840 I felt badly about the whole thing. 06:41.840 --> 06:44.840 They were doing all that work and then the book not being published. 06:44.840 --> 06:45.840 Mm-hmm. 06:45.840 --> 06:48.960 Did the Herbert's bros the idea of you and the church putting up the money to print the 06:48.960 --> 06:49.960 book? 06:49.960 --> 06:50.960 Well, no. 06:50.960 --> 06:53.240 Not exactly, but I guess they gave me the idea. 06:53.240 --> 06:54.240 How do you mean? 06:54.240 --> 06:58.400 They suggested that I talk it over with the church board, so I did. 06:58.400 --> 07:01.880 We all agreed it would be a shame to give up the idea of the book after so much work 07:01.880 --> 07:02.880 had gone into it. 07:02.880 --> 07:05.320 Is that when you agreed to finance the book? 07:05.320 --> 07:07.600 Well, the board and I did, yes. 07:07.600 --> 07:09.080 It's all my fault, though. 07:09.080 --> 07:10.080 I helped to persuade them. 07:10.080 --> 07:12.640 And the money came out of church funds, is that it? 07:12.640 --> 07:14.200 As a matter of fact, it didn't. 07:14.200 --> 07:19.120 Well, they have a small operating fund, so you can see we're a small church. 07:19.120 --> 07:20.120 Congregation isn't wealthy. 07:20.120 --> 07:22.120 And where did the money come from, sir? 07:22.120 --> 07:27.640 Well, for one thing, the ladies of the altar society put on a Sunday afternoon ham dinner. 07:27.640 --> 07:31.800 It made some money, and then the Herbots suggested we help sell advertising to pay part of the 07:31.800 --> 07:33.320 cost, so we did that, too. 07:33.320 --> 07:34.680 But still wasn't enough. 07:34.680 --> 07:37.760 Well, exactly how much did you turn over to the Herbots? 07:37.760 --> 07:38.760 $804.61. 07:38.760 --> 07:43.440 I had to borrow $350 from the bank to make it. 07:43.440 --> 07:45.880 It'll all have to be paid back. 07:45.880 --> 07:47.600 People who paid for their advertising, too. 07:47.600 --> 07:49.680 It'll all have to come out of our pocket. 07:49.680 --> 07:50.680 It's a terrible thing. 07:50.680 --> 07:51.680 Yes, sir, it is. 07:51.680 --> 07:52.680 Terrible. 07:52.680 --> 07:55.120 I don't know what I'm going to do. 07:55.120 --> 07:57.800 Hate to ask the congregation for it. 07:57.800 --> 08:01.360 Their offerings have always been so generous, and they're not wealthy either. 08:01.360 --> 08:02.360 They're just working people. 08:02.360 --> 08:05.120 When was the last time that you heard from this Mr. and Mrs. Herbert? 08:05.120 --> 08:06.680 A week ago, I guess. 08:06.680 --> 08:09.200 Yes, it was last Monday. 08:09.200 --> 08:11.320 I got anxious and called them at their hotel. 08:11.320 --> 08:12.320 It's on South Grand. 08:12.320 --> 08:13.320 I can give you the address. 08:13.320 --> 08:16.320 They told me when the books would be ready. 08:16.320 --> 08:17.320 They said it would be on Tuesday. 08:17.320 --> 08:20.320 That's the last I heard of them. 08:20.320 --> 08:23.760 No forwarding address, no other place that you think we might find them. 08:23.760 --> 08:24.760 No, I'm sorry. 08:24.760 --> 08:28.000 I just don't have any idea. 08:28.000 --> 08:30.360 So hard to believe anyone would do such a thing to us. 08:30.360 --> 08:31.360 Yes, sir. 08:31.360 --> 08:33.360 I wonder if we could have the address of their hotel. 08:33.360 --> 08:34.360 Yes, all right. 08:34.360 --> 08:37.360 If you'll come with me, I have it over at the house. 08:37.360 --> 08:38.360 Did Mr. and Mrs. Herbert have a car? 08:38.360 --> 08:39.360 Do you know, Reverend? 08:39.360 --> 08:40.360 I don't think so. 08:40.360 --> 08:41.360 If they did, I never saw it. 08:41.360 --> 08:44.360 I don't know what I'm going to tell the congregation. 08:44.360 --> 08:48.360 $800, that's a lot of money to our people. 08:48.360 --> 08:49.360 Yes, sir. 08:49.360 --> 08:56.480 Tell me, Sergeant, I don't mean to be uncharitable, but Mr. and Mrs. Herbert, do they have a criminal 08:56.480 --> 08:57.480 record? 08:57.480 --> 08:59.480 Have they done this sort of thing before? 08:59.480 --> 09:02.360 Well, their descriptions seem to fit a couple that we've been looking for. 09:02.360 --> 09:05.640 They've been working the churches in this area on and off for a couple of years now. 09:05.640 --> 09:07.960 I can't understand why they do such a thing. 09:07.960 --> 09:09.960 It's almost like robbing a poor box. 09:09.960 --> 09:12.960 Yes, sir, they've done that too. 09:12.960 --> 09:13.960 1115 a.m. 09:13.960 --> 09:18.480 We went back to the city hall and pulled a package on the suspects, Mr. and Mrs. Tom 09:18.480 --> 09:19.480 Herbert. 09:19.480 --> 09:23.800 They were a veteran man and wife confidence team who'd worked the Los Angeles area and 09:23.800 --> 09:26.160 other large cities around the country. 09:26.160 --> 09:28.840 Their specialty seemed to be swindling churches and clergymen. 09:28.840 --> 09:33.960 Over a period of 17 years, they'd piled up a long record involving frauds and various 09:33.960 --> 09:37.840 bunko games, but they'd only been brought to trial once. 09:37.840 --> 09:40.800 The case had been dismissed for lack of sufficient evidence. 09:40.800 --> 09:42.840 1135 a.m. 09:42.840 --> 09:46.880 We took mug shots of Mr. and Mrs. Herbert out to the Reverend Olson, and he identified 09:46.880 --> 09:47.880 them. 09:47.880 --> 09:51.160 We went to the hotel on South Grand where they'd been staying, no leads. 09:51.160 --> 09:55.160 We got out a local broadcast and an APB on them. 09:55.160 --> 09:58.520 Together with the sheriff's office, we sent a special bulletin about the Herberts to the 09:58.520 --> 10:01.160 pastors of the different churches in the city and county. 10:01.160 --> 10:05.760 From the list of names on the Marmots sheet, we began checking out all the known friends 10:05.760 --> 10:07.960 and relatives of the suspects. 10:07.960 --> 10:11.920 One of them was a Clyde Harris, proprietor of a physical culture school out in the Wilshire 10:11.920 --> 10:12.920 District. 10:12.920 --> 10:25.120 1 p.m. Tuesday, we drove out to talk to him. 10:25.120 --> 10:26.120 Which way, Joe? 10:26.120 --> 10:28.720 Right down the street, the blue and white signage. 10:28.720 --> 10:30.720 Oh, yeah. 10:30.720 --> 10:33.880 Venus School of Physical Culture. 10:33.880 --> 10:37.760 I can make you an all-American girl, Clyde Harris manager. 10:37.760 --> 10:39.920 This looks like the office here. 10:39.920 --> 10:41.520 No, we're supposed to meet him in the gym. 10:41.520 --> 10:42.520 That's next door. 10:42.520 --> 10:43.520 I don't know. 10:43.520 --> 10:44.520 Yeah, here. 10:44.520 --> 10:45.520 No, go ahead. 10:45.520 --> 10:46.520 Oh, yeah. 10:46.520 --> 10:47.520 It's back this way, I guess. 10:47.520 --> 10:48.520 All right, now. 10:48.520 --> 10:49.520 90 gun face, all together with me. 10:49.520 --> 10:50.520 One, two, three, four. 10:50.520 --> 10:51.520 Extend. 10:51.520 --> 10:52.520 And hold. 10:52.520 --> 10:53.520 Down. 10:53.520 --> 10:54.520 Extend. 10:54.520 --> 10:55.520 And hold. 10:55.520 --> 10:56.520 Down. 10:56.520 --> 10:57.520 With me. 10:57.520 --> 10:58.520 Hold. 10:58.520 --> 10:59.520 Down. 10:59.520 --> 11:00.520 Come on. 11:00.520 --> 11:01.520 All together. 11:01.520 --> 11:02.520 Let's go. 11:02.520 --> 11:03.520 And hold. 11:03.520 --> 11:04.520 Down. 11:04.520 --> 11:05.520 Come on. 11:05.520 --> 11:06.520 Come on. 11:06.520 --> 11:07.520 And hold. 11:07.520 --> 11:08.520 Down. 11:08.520 --> 11:09.520 Come on. 11:09.520 --> 11:10.520 Hold. 11:10.520 --> 11:11.520 Down. 11:11.520 --> 11:14.520 One, two, three, four. 11:14.520 --> 11:16.520 And four. 11:16.520 --> 11:17.520 Four, down. 11:17.520 --> 11:20.520 One, two, four, down. 11:20.520 --> 11:24.520 One, two, three, four. 11:24.520 --> 11:26.520 Ten, ten, four, down. 11:26.520 --> 11:28.520 Four, one. 11:28.520 --> 11:29.520 Hold it a minute. 11:29.520 --> 11:31.520 No, I'm sorry, Mrs. Tollison. 11:31.520 --> 11:32.520 You're doing it wrong. 11:32.520 --> 11:33.520 Your pelvis is all out of position. 11:33.520 --> 11:35.520 Excuse me, are you Clyde Harris? 11:35.520 --> 11:36.520 Yes, did you want something? 11:36.520 --> 11:37.520 Police officer, sir, Harris. 11:37.520 --> 11:38.520 Like to talk to you? 11:38.520 --> 11:39.520 Oh, yeah, officer. 11:39.520 --> 11:40.520 Could you hold on a half a minute? 11:40.520 --> 11:41.520 Sure, go right ahead. 11:41.520 --> 11:43.520 Francis, Francis, would you take over here for a few minutes? 11:43.520 --> 11:45.520 I have to talk to these gentlemen. 11:45.520 --> 11:47.520 Ladies, Francis is going to count for you for a while. 11:47.520 --> 11:48.520 You go right ahead with the lesson. 11:48.520 --> 11:50.520 I'll be back in a few minutes. 11:54.520 --> 11:55.520 Back here, officers. 11:55.520 --> 11:56.520 Won't take too long, will it? 11:56.520 --> 11:57.520 No, sir, just a few minutes. 11:57.520 --> 11:59.520 Sorry to interrupt your lesson. 11:59.520 --> 12:00.520 It's all right. 12:00.520 --> 12:02.520 I just want to have the ladies thinking I neglected them. 12:02.520 --> 12:04.520 They pay good money for these exercises. 12:04.520 --> 12:06.520 Yeah. 12:06.520 --> 12:07.520 Here you are. Have a chair. 12:07.520 --> 12:10.520 Thank you. 12:10.520 --> 12:13.520 You said something about Tom Herbert on the phone, Sergeant. 12:13.520 --> 12:14.520 What's it all about? 12:14.520 --> 12:16.520 We understand that you're a friend of the Herberts, Mr. Harris. 12:16.520 --> 12:18.520 Yeah, I knew Tom and Doris a couple of years back. 12:18.520 --> 12:20.520 Haven't seen much of them lately. 12:20.520 --> 12:21.520 When was the last time you saw them? 12:21.520 --> 12:24.520 Let's see, it must be two, three months anyway. 12:24.520 --> 12:25.520 Anything wrong? 12:25.520 --> 12:26.520 Well, do you know where we could locate them? 12:26.520 --> 12:28.520 I don't know for sure. 12:28.520 --> 12:31.520 Last time I saw them, they were at a hotel downtown in South Grand, I think. 12:31.520 --> 12:33.520 You know, South Grand right near Peacock. 12:33.520 --> 12:35.520 We have no idea where they moved when they left there. 12:35.520 --> 12:37.520 No, I didn't even know they'd moved. 12:37.520 --> 12:40.520 They haven't phoned or contacted you at all in the last month or so. 12:40.520 --> 12:41.520 No, not a word. 12:41.520 --> 12:43.520 They're not in a jam again, are they? 12:43.520 --> 12:44.520 We'd like to talk to them, that's all. 12:44.520 --> 12:46.520 Would you know of any of their favorite spots around town? 12:46.520 --> 12:47.520 Eating, drinking places? 12:47.520 --> 12:49.520 No, I don't think I could say. 12:49.520 --> 12:50.520 They got around quite a bit. 12:50.520 --> 12:52.520 You checked with some of their other friends around town, 12:52.520 --> 12:55.520 the Pattons, the Thompson's, Mike Runyon. 12:55.520 --> 12:56.520 What was that last one? 12:56.520 --> 12:58.520 Mike Runyon, very good friend of the Herberts. 12:58.520 --> 12:59.520 Ben? 12:59.520 --> 13:00.520 No, I don't recall the name. 13:00.520 --> 13:03.520 Well, how could we get in touch with this Runyon, Mr. Harris? 13:03.520 --> 13:06.520 He's got a phone, come on in the office, we'll call him if you'd like. 13:06.520 --> 13:07.520 Yeah, thank you very much. 13:14.520 --> 13:16.520 I'll get Mike on the line for you, introduce you. 13:16.520 --> 13:18.520 Would you mind talking to him, Harris? 13:18.520 --> 13:21.520 Don't tell him it's for us, just ask if he knows where the Herberts are. 13:21.520 --> 13:22.520 Would you mind? 13:22.520 --> 13:23.520 Yeah, all right. 13:27.520 --> 13:28.520 No answer. 13:28.520 --> 13:29.520 Maybe... 13:29.520 --> 13:30.520 Hello, Mike. 13:30.520 --> 13:31.520 Clyde Harris, Mike. 13:31.520 --> 13:33.520 Yeah, how are you? Fine. 13:33.520 --> 13:34.520 Fine? 13:34.520 --> 13:35.520 Yeah, a long time. 13:35.520 --> 13:38.520 Say, Mike, you any idea where Tom and Doris Herbert are? 13:39.520 --> 13:40.520 Mm-hmm. 13:40.520 --> 13:41.520 Is that right? 13:42.520 --> 13:43.520 How about that, huh? 13:44.520 --> 13:45.520 What are you doing? 13:45.520 --> 13:47.520 No, that's okay, it's not important. 13:47.520 --> 13:49.520 Sure thing, Mike, make it soon, huh? 13:49.520 --> 13:50.520 Right. 13:50.520 --> 13:51.520 Goodbye. 13:51.520 --> 13:52.520 Yep. 13:52.520 --> 13:54.520 No, he doesn't know where the Herberts are staying. 13:54.520 --> 13:57.520 Saw them a week ago out in Hollywood, though, says they're doing fine. 13:57.520 --> 13:58.520 How do you mean? 13:58.520 --> 14:01.520 Ran into them outside that big church on Hollywood Boulevard, 14:01.520 --> 14:03.520 they told Mike all about it, they really got religion. 14:03.520 --> 14:04.520 That's how? 14:04.520 --> 14:06.520 Yeah, they're even writing a book about the church. 14:08.520 --> 14:10.520 We called back Mike Runyon, a friend of the suspect, 14:10.520 --> 14:14.520 and he gave us the location of the church where he'd seen Mr. and Mrs. Herbert. 14:14.520 --> 14:18.520 Ben and I drove out there and talked to the pastor, Reverend John Kenworth. 14:18.520 --> 14:21.520 We showed him the Herberts' mugshots and he identified them. 14:21.520 --> 14:23.520 They were going under the name of Williams, 14:23.520 --> 14:26.520 and supposedly they were writing a book about the history of the church. 14:26.520 --> 14:28.520 To cover publishing expenses and research, 14:28.520 --> 14:31.520 more than $1,000 from Perry's contributions 14:31.520 --> 14:34.520 had been placed in a separate account at a local bank. 14:34.520 --> 14:37.520 Reverend Kenworth told us that it was a special joint account 14:37.520 --> 14:39.520 and the Herberts had access to it. 14:39.520 --> 14:41.520 Ben got on the phone and called the bank. 14:41.520 --> 14:43.520 How's that? 14:43.520 --> 14:45.520 Yes, yes, sir. 14:45.520 --> 14:46.520 Uh-huh. 14:46.520 --> 14:48.520 Yeah, all right, thank you. 14:48.520 --> 14:50.520 What'd they say? 14:50.520 --> 14:53.520 The two of them were in the bank yesterday, they didn't draw out everything. 14:53.520 --> 14:54.520 How much did they leave? 14:54.520 --> 14:56.520 $3. 14:58.520 --> 15:00.520 Ben and I checked with the teller at the bank 15:00.520 --> 15:02.520 and showed him mugshots of Mr. and Mrs. Herbert. 15:02.520 --> 15:05.520 He identified them as the couple who'd withdrawn the church funds. 15:05.520 --> 15:09.520 We went to the hotel address the suspects had given to Reverend Kenworth. 15:09.520 --> 15:12.520 They'd checked out two days before. 15:12.520 --> 15:14.520 The search went on. 15:14.520 --> 15:16.520 Two weeks passed, we ran out of leads. 15:16.520 --> 15:18.520 No further reports on the couple. 15:18.520 --> 15:20.520 A month went by. 15:20.520 --> 15:22.520 Tuesday, May 23rd, 15:22.520 --> 15:26.520 we got a P.B. from San Francisco on a couple answering the Herberts' description. 15:26.520 --> 15:29.520 They were still working the church angle. 15:29.520 --> 15:32.520 During the next six weeks, we got reports on them from Washington, Oregon, 15:32.520 --> 15:35.520 Nevada, and Northern California. 15:35.520 --> 15:38.520 In Sacramento, they apparently changed their M.O. for the first time. 15:38.520 --> 15:41.520 They started selling phony health insurance policies. 15:41.520 --> 15:44.520 They promised everything and they had a lot of takers. 15:44.520 --> 15:47.520 One of the big selling points was a clause which promised full protection 15:47.520 --> 15:50.520 if anybody in the family should come down with polio. 15:50.520 --> 15:54.520 From Sacramento, they headed south to Oakland and then to Fresno. 15:54.520 --> 15:57.520 On July 10th, the complaints started to come in and we knew the Herberts had moved 15:57.520 --> 16:00.520 into Los Angeles with their health insurance racket. 16:00.520 --> 16:02.520 One of the first victims was a Carl Fogarty. 16:02.520 --> 16:05.520 He lived out in the Westlake area. 16:05.520 --> 16:07.520 There's a policy they gave me, sir. 16:07.520 --> 16:09.520 Apex health insurance. 16:09.520 --> 16:11.520 Not worth the paper it's printed on. 16:11.520 --> 16:13.520 When did they sell you this, Mr. Fogarty? You remember? 16:13.520 --> 16:15.520 Three weeks ago, I guess. 16:15.520 --> 16:18.520 Never would have known it was phony if my boy hadn't come down with polio. 16:18.520 --> 16:20.520 How's he getting along? 16:20.520 --> 16:23.520 Too good. Right leg. He's got it bad there. 16:23.520 --> 16:25.520 It's not as if we don't have enough grief. 16:25.520 --> 16:27.520 We've got to lose out on this bum insurance. 16:27.520 --> 16:29.520 You mind if I take a look at that policy, sir? 16:29.520 --> 16:32.520 No. Go ahead. Here you are. 16:32.520 --> 16:34.520 Thanks, sir. 16:34.520 --> 16:39.520 Same outfit, Joe. Apex health insurance. Same phony address. 16:39.520 --> 16:42.520 Would you remember the man who sold you this, do you think? 16:42.520 --> 16:45.520 I think I would, yeah. 16:45.520 --> 16:49.520 I wonder if you'd mind looking through these pictures, Mr. Fogarty? 16:49.520 --> 16:52.520 Not at all. 16:52.520 --> 16:54.520 Just look at them carefully, if you will. 16:54.520 --> 16:56.520 Mm-hmm. 16:56.520 --> 16:59.520 Mm-hmm. 16:59.520 --> 17:03.520 Yeah. That's him. I remember. Who's he? 17:03.520 --> 17:05.520 His name's Herbert. 17:05.520 --> 17:07.520 When he came in to sell you this policy, was he alone? 17:07.520 --> 17:10.520 Yeah, he was. Had a real good sales talk. 17:10.520 --> 17:12.520 How much did you pay for the insurance? 17:12.520 --> 17:17.520 Let me see. $43.00 and some odd cents. 17:17.520 --> 17:19.520 I remember that because I cashed him a war bond, 17:19.520 --> 17:21.520 and then I took $5.00 out of the rent money. 17:21.520 --> 17:23.520 Outside of this policy here, you have no other papers 17:23.520 --> 17:25.520 that the man might have given you? 17:25.520 --> 17:27.520 No, nothing but this business card here. 17:27.520 --> 17:29.520 He gave me that. 17:29.520 --> 17:32.520 You see here, the same name, Apex Health Insurance. 17:32.520 --> 17:34.520 Yeah. 17:34.520 --> 17:36.520 Well, thank you very much, Mr. Fogarty. 17:36.520 --> 17:38.520 We hope your little boy pulls out of it all right. 17:38.520 --> 17:40.520 Yeah, thanks. 17:40.520 --> 17:42.520 All right, sir. Anything we can do, give us a call. 17:42.520 --> 17:44.520 Sure, okay. 17:44.520 --> 17:46.520 About time we checked the office, huh? 17:46.520 --> 17:48.520 I think so. Do you have a phone here, Mr. Fogarty? 17:48.520 --> 17:50.520 Oh, yeah, Sergeant. Straight back in the hallway. 17:50.520 --> 17:52.520 Help yourself. Thank you very much. 18:04.520 --> 18:06.520 2572. 18:06.520 --> 18:08.520 Yeah, that's right. 18:08.520 --> 18:10.520 Yeah, Fred, Joe Friday. 18:10.520 --> 18:12.520 Anything for us in the book? 18:12.520 --> 18:14.520 Hmm? West 7th. 18:14.520 --> 18:16.520 Yeah, okay. 18:16.520 --> 18:18.520 Right, thanks, Fred. 18:20.520 --> 18:22.520 Anything doing? 18:22.520 --> 18:24.520 It looks pretty good. The office got a call from a printing shop 18:24.520 --> 18:26.520 out on West 7th. The manager's got an order he's not too sure about. 18:26.520 --> 18:28.520 How do you mean? 18:28.520 --> 18:30.520 It's for a batch of letterhead stationery, business cards. 18:30.520 --> 18:32.520 Yeah? 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Best of all long cigarettes. 20:01.520 --> 20:06.520 Wednesday, July 10th, 4 p.m. 20:06.520 --> 20:14.520 Ben and I drove back downtown to the printing shop on West 7th Street and talked with the manager. 20:14.520 --> 20:18.520 He told us that the order for stationery and business cards for the Apex Health Insurance Company 20:18.520 --> 20:20.520 had been placed two days before. 20:20.520 --> 20:26.520 He said he'd become suspicious after reading a story in one of the newspapers about the polio insurance fraud. 20:26.520 --> 20:29.520 He also said that the customer who'd ordered the stuff was a woman. 20:29.520 --> 20:32.520 She told him that she would call and pick up the order on Friday. 20:32.520 --> 20:34.520 We showed the manager a handful of mug shots. 20:34.520 --> 20:38.520 He could give us only a partial identification of Mrs. Herbert's picture. 20:38.520 --> 20:42.520 We called the office, told them we were going on stakeout, and arranged for a relief. 20:42.520 --> 20:46.520 Ben and I spent the rest of Wednesday and all day Thursday and Friday in the rear of the print shop 20:46.520 --> 20:49.520 where we could keep an eye on everyone entering the place. 20:49.520 --> 20:54.520 Friday, 6 p.m. No sign of the Herberts. Not a trace. 20:54.520 --> 20:57.520 Saturday, the same. No sign of either one of them. 20:57.520 --> 21:01.520 Monday, more waiting. The suspect stayed away. 21:01.520 --> 21:06.520 Tuesday, 3.30 p.m. I went out the rear door, went down the street and got some cigarettes, 21:06.520 --> 21:08.520 and then I headed back for the print shop. 21:08.520 --> 21:12.520 Ben, keep your coat on, Joe. Just called the office for a relief. 21:12.520 --> 21:13.520 Why, what's he doing? 21:13.520 --> 21:17.520 That Clyde Harris, friend of the Herberts, the guy who runs the physical culture school? 21:17.520 --> 21:18.520 Yeah, what about him? 21:18.520 --> 21:20.520 He called the office, wanted to talk to us. 21:20.520 --> 21:22.520 I phoned him out there at the gym. 21:22.520 --> 21:23.520 Yeah? 21:23.520 --> 21:26.520 He told me he was out drinking last night and he met Mrs. Herbert at a bar. 21:26.520 --> 21:27.520 She was alone. 21:27.520 --> 21:28.520 Did he tell you where to find her? 21:28.520 --> 21:38.520 The Greenwood Apartments, 603. 21:38.520 --> 21:42.520 When the relief men arrived, Ben and I left and drove across town to the Greenwood Apartments on Taylor Street. 21:42.520 --> 21:48.520 It was a three-story frame building set back from the sidewalk behind a sloping lawn lined with a box hedge. 21:48.520 --> 21:50.520 We checked the names on the mailboxes. 21:50.520 --> 21:54.520 The name T.J. Bronson was listed for apartment 603. 21:54.520 --> 21:56.520 We rang, but there was no answer. 21:56.520 --> 21:58.520 Better try the manager, huh? 21:58.520 --> 21:59.520 Yeah. 21:59.520 --> 22:01.520 Hmm, it's a nice place. 22:01.520 --> 22:03.520 Insurance racket must be paying off for them. 22:03.520 --> 22:05.520 Here we go. 22:13.520 --> 22:15.520 Yeah? Can I help you? 22:15.520 --> 22:17.520 Yes, sir, you the manager here? 22:17.520 --> 22:19.520 That's right, Thatcher's my name. Can I help you? 22:19.520 --> 22:23.520 Police officers, Mr. Thatcher. We're trying to locate the people in 603. 22:23.520 --> 22:27.520 Oh, that crazy woman tried to blow up the place last night. 22:27.520 --> 22:28.520 Why? What do you mean? 22:28.520 --> 22:31.520 Mrs. Bronson, she came in drunk about 2 a.m. 22:31.520 --> 22:32.520 No sense at all. 22:32.520 --> 22:37.520 About 3 a.m., the folks in 601 called me and they said they smelled gas. 22:37.520 --> 22:39.520 I went up there and found her in the kitchenette. 22:39.520 --> 22:43.520 I'd like a light gas stove turned on going full blast. 22:43.520 --> 22:44.520 Crazy. 22:44.520 --> 22:45.520 Where's her husband? 22:45.520 --> 22:47.520 Couldn't say. Chasing around again, I think. 22:47.520 --> 22:49.520 Hadn't been home in a week. 22:49.520 --> 22:52.520 Lucky I got to that gas before something a little match. 22:52.520 --> 22:54.520 Did you say it happened about 3 this morning? 22:54.520 --> 22:57.520 That's right, crazy woman. She'll be all right, though. 22:57.520 --> 22:58.520 Where is she now, do you know? 22:58.520 --> 23:00.520 Yeah, County Hospital. 23:03.520 --> 23:06.520 4.25 p.m. Ben and I got in touch with the office 23:06.520 --> 23:08.520 and arranged for a stakeout at the Herbert's apartment. 23:08.520 --> 23:12.520 We called homicide and checked on the attempt suicide report. 23:12.520 --> 23:15.520 They informed us that the woman had been taken to the Psycho Ward County Hospital. 23:15.520 --> 23:19.520 We went over to the hospital, checked at the main desk and identified ourselves. 23:19.520 --> 23:24.520 The nurse on duty had us shown to the ward where the suspect Doris Herbert was confined. 23:24.520 --> 23:27.520 She was a halfway attractive woman in her late 40s. 23:27.520 --> 23:31.520 Short, bleached blonde hair, dark eyes with deep circles under them. 23:31.520 --> 23:33.520 She turned and looked up as we stopped beside her bed. 23:33.520 --> 23:35.520 Excuse me, you Doris Herbert? 23:35.520 --> 23:36.520 Ah? 23:36.520 --> 23:37.520 Is your name Doris Herbert? 23:37.520 --> 23:38.520 Who do you want? 23:38.520 --> 23:40.520 Police officers. Would like to talk to you for a minute? 23:40.520 --> 23:42.520 I knew you'd be around. I don't care. 23:42.520 --> 23:43.520 Ma'am? 23:43.520 --> 23:46.520 I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the whole rotten thing. I knew you'd come. 23:46.520 --> 23:48.520 We just have a few questions, ma'am. It won't take long. 23:48.520 --> 23:51.520 Go ahead, I don't care. Did you find him yet? 23:51.520 --> 23:52.520 You mean your husband? 23:52.520 --> 23:54.520 He's not my husband, not anymore. 23:54.520 --> 23:58.520 Him and that cheap girl behind my back sneaking around. 23:58.520 --> 24:00.520 Twenty years we've been happy and he throws me away. 24:00.520 --> 24:02.520 Where's your husband now, ma'am? 24:02.520 --> 24:06.520 With her. He's been with her awake. He doesn't even care I'm here. 24:06.520 --> 24:09.520 Twenty years ago he cared. 24:09.520 --> 24:12.520 I found him. He taught him something. I taught him everything he knows. 24:12.520 --> 24:15.520 This girl that your husband's with, where does she stay? Do you know? 24:15.520 --> 24:20.520 Yeah, an apartment. It's on Franklin. Right on the corner, Franklin and Laurel. 24:20.520 --> 24:22.520 You were close weren't you? You knew it was us. 24:22.520 --> 24:23.520 What's this girl's name? 24:23.520 --> 24:28.520 Marie Daly. I saw her with him. Tell me something. 24:28.520 --> 24:29.520 Yeah? 24:29.520 --> 24:31.520 You knew it was us, Tom and me, the insurance? 24:31.520 --> 24:32.520 Yeah, we knew it was you. 24:32.520 --> 24:37.520 I didn't like it. It wasn't a clean game. Tom's idea. 24:37.520 --> 24:41.520 We made money, but I didn't like it. It wasn't clean. 24:41.520 --> 24:43.520 All right, Miss Herbert. We'll talk to you later. 24:43.520 --> 24:47.520 No, not me. I'm going to die. I'm going to die and forget all about it. 24:47.520 --> 24:51.520 Just be sure you can get him, won't you, Tom? 24:51.520 --> 24:53.520 I taught him everything he knows. Get him. 24:53.520 --> 24:55.520 You're sure about the address? 24:55.520 --> 24:58.520 Yeah, I'm sure. Tell me something. 24:58.520 --> 25:00.520 Hmm? 25:00.520 --> 25:04.520 Why did he have to do it to me? Throwing me away, lying, taking that cheap girl. 25:04.520 --> 25:05.520 Why'd he do it to me? 25:05.520 --> 25:09.520 Well, you ought to have an idea. You taught him everything he knows. 25:09.520 --> 25:15.520 Before we left the hospital, we made arrangements to have Doris Herbert transferred to the prison ward. 25:15.520 --> 25:20.520 Five p.m. We drove out to the apartment house at Franklin and Laurel and checked with the landlady. 25:20.520 --> 25:25.520 She told us that Tom Herbert's girlfriend, Marie Daly, had checked out of her apartment the day before. 25:25.520 --> 25:28.520 She said the Daly girl had a middle-aged man with her. 25:28.520 --> 25:32.520 We showed the landlady Herbert's mug shot and she identified him as that man. 25:32.520 --> 25:36.520 She had no forwarding address on her, but she did remember the name of the express truck 25:36.520 --> 25:39.520 that called to pick up the Daly girl's baggage. 25:39.520 --> 25:44.520 We checked with the express company and found that the trunks had been taken to the Lockheed Air Terminal. 25:44.520 --> 25:46.520 We started calling the airlines. 25:46.520 --> 25:50.520 Six-thirty p.m. We finally got a report that a man answering Tom Herbert's description 25:50.520 --> 25:53.520 had booked passage for two on a flight to Mexico City. 25:53.520 --> 25:56.520 The plane was scheduled to leave at eight-thirty-five that night. 25:56.520 --> 25:59.520 Ben and I drove out to the airport and went on stakeout. 25:59.520 --> 26:04.520 Eight-fifteen p.m. We waited. Eight-twenty. No sign of them. 26:04.520 --> 26:11.520 United Airlines mainliner flight 649 from Denver at Intermediate City. 26:11.520 --> 26:13.520 Getting a little late, huh? 26:13.520 --> 26:16.520 Yeah, it's eight-twenty-four. They're kind of getting close. 26:18.520 --> 26:20.520 Going in the bar, Joe. Take a look. 26:20.520 --> 26:22.520 Yeah, that's them. Let's go. 26:23.520 --> 26:25.520 Not hard to spot. 26:25.520 --> 26:27.520 What's the matter with the girl? 26:27.520 --> 26:29.520 Looks pretty drunk. 26:29.520 --> 26:31.520 All right, come on. 26:31.520 --> 26:34.520 Reverend Water, how are you? Is that what you want? 26:34.520 --> 26:35.520 Reverend Water, yeah. 26:35.520 --> 26:37.520 We haven't got much time. We don't want to miss that plane. 26:37.520 --> 26:38.520 We won't miss it. 26:38.520 --> 26:39.520 Are you Tom Herbert? 26:39.520 --> 26:40.520 Yes. What is it? 26:40.520 --> 26:42.520 Police officers like talking to you downtown. 26:42.520 --> 26:44.520 Just a minute. This must be some kind of mistake. 26:44.520 --> 26:46.520 No mistake, Herbert. We talked to your wife. Let's go. 26:46.520 --> 26:48.520 Where's the time? What do they want? 26:48.520 --> 26:49.520 Nothing. It's a mistake. 26:49.520 --> 26:53.520 Now, look, officers, I don't know what this is all about, but we have to get a plane. 26:53.520 --> 26:55.520 The eight-thirty-five. I can't go downtown, will you? 26:55.520 --> 26:58.520 Can we talk it over here? I'm sure we can straighten this out. 26:58.520 --> 27:00.520 Your wife copped out, Herbert. Now let's make it easy, huh? 27:00.520 --> 27:01.520 Come on, lady. 27:01.520 --> 27:03.520 What's he talking about, Tom? Why is he fooling me? 27:03.520 --> 27:06.520 I told you it's a mistake. Now be reasonable, huh, officer? 27:06.520 --> 27:10.520 All we want to do is take a trip. We've been planning on this. New clothes, new luggage. 27:10.520 --> 27:12.520 Here's your hand. Our car's outside. 27:12.520 --> 27:14.520 It's a mistake. You can't do this. We planned on it. 27:14.520 --> 27:16.520 We've been waiting a long time for this. 27:16.520 --> 27:18.520 Yes, sir. So have we. 27:18.520 --> 27:20.520 Come on, let's go. 27:26.520 --> 27:28.520 The story you have just heard was true. 27:28.520 --> 27:31.520 Only the names were changed to protect the innocent. 27:31.520 --> 27:35.520 On October 28th, trial was held in Superior Court, Department 88, 27:35.520 --> 27:38.520 City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. 27:38.520 --> 27:40.520 In a moment, the results of that trial. 27:40.520 --> 27:42.520 Now, here is our star, Jack Webb. 27:42.520 --> 27:43.520 Thank you. 27:43.520 --> 27:46.520 Friends, each week we're honored with letters from listeners all over the country. 27:46.520 --> 27:51.520 Letters telling us that you've bought Fatimas, and you find them the best of all long cigarettes. 27:51.520 --> 27:56.520 Well, thanks to you and the many thousands of other smokers who have switched to Fatimas, 27:56.520 --> 28:00.520 I'm happy to report that more people are now enjoying Fatimas than ever before. 28:00.520 --> 28:07.520 January sales figures just released show that in the East, Fatimas sales are up 56%. 28:07.520 --> 28:10.520 In the Middle West, sales up 133%. 28:10.520 --> 28:14.520 And here on the coast, Fatima shows an increase of 68%. 28:14.520 --> 28:19.520 That means Fatima sales are up nearly 70% all over the country. 28:19.520 --> 28:24.520 Now, if you haven't yet discovered Fatima's much different, much better flavor and aroma, 28:24.520 --> 28:27.520 I suggest that you buy a pack tomorrow. 28:27.520 --> 28:31.520 When you do, I'm convinced you'll agree with Fatima smokers everywhere. 28:31.520 --> 28:34.520 In Fatima, the difference is quality. 28:34.520 --> 28:46.520 Mr. and Mrs. Tom Herbert were tried and convicted on several counts of grand theft. 28:46.520 --> 28:50.520 They are now confined in the state penitentiary for the term prescribed by law. 28:50.520 --> 29:00.520 Grand theft is punishable by confinement for not less than one nor more than 10 years. 29:00.520 --> 29:05.520 You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official files. 29:05.520 --> 29:12.520 Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police, W.H. 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