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From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, DRAGNEST is the story of your police force in action. 02:17.000 --> 02:26.000 It's Saturday, August 7th. It's hot in Los Angeles. We were working the day we watched out a juvenile bureau. My partner is Ben Romero. The boss is Inspector Bowie. My name's Fred. 02:26.000 --> 02:32.000 It's 7.35 p.m. and we got to where we parked our car. 80K. 02:32.000 --> 02:48.000 Thanks, senior. Your house is back that way, huh? Yeah. You like to fill around here, huh? Yeah, I like to fill around here, huh? 02:48.000 --> 03:03.000 I'm on that side. Okay. One of them here. No, you better wait a minute. Okay. It's all clear now. 03:03.000 --> 03:17.000 I don't know about you. I think there's something sour about the whole thing. Well, what do we check at the house? The kids might have turned up while we were going. I hope so. Should have to go back there empty-handed. Not one lousy lead. 03:17.000 --> 03:27.000 Hard to figure. The little girls just wandered off. Somebody could have spotted them by this time. I guess there was some kind of an accident. Yeah. What time you got? 03:27.000 --> 03:49.000 Twenty minutes late. Five hours. A long time for a pair of four-year-olds to be out of sight in it. Parents are going to be worried sick from the tell them. Let's sit up the next block, will we? Oh, yeah. Might as well pull up right here. Yeah, that's good. 03:49.000 --> 04:03.000 Let's go. 04:03.000 --> 04:24.000 Lovely job. Oh, come in. Thank you. Have you heard anything? Not too much, Mr. Carson. We're just checking the neighborhood. Somebody around must have seen the kids. Did you talk to everybody? We checked out all the names you gave us. 04:24.000 --> 04:34.000 Everyone who knows your little girl, the kids they play with, their friends, parents, storekeepers in the area. But somebody had to see her. They've got to be around someplace. 04:34.000 --> 05:03.000 John, until we get lost in that park, I know there would have had it up to at home. Pardon? What is it? The band? No, we're still checking, Miss Carson. There's nothing much to tell you right now. They've got somebody, sir. Tell them they couldn't have wandered off that path. I don't think it's as bad as it might seem to you, ma'am. Children have been missing a lot longer than you two little girls and turned up all right. Just try to relax, Miss Carson. Why hasn't somebody seen the one you lost when you were in the park, but it's only three blocks from your house? Why hasn't somebody seen it? 05:03.000 --> 05:10.000 Well, it's not something you can't imagine. Doctor, God knows what could have happened to me, ma'am. Take it easy, honey. Don't start imagining things. 05:10.000 --> 05:16.000 Something you get the matter of time, ma'am. You've got three teams of men working on it with us. Got another broadcat and your little girl. 05:16.000 --> 05:24.000 Did you talk to the farmers on the street in Pettiton? Yes, ma'am. We did. We checked out all the names you gave us. There is one thing we wanted to ask you about. What's that, Sergeant? 05:24.000 --> 05:29.000 About the spot in the park where you had your picnic this afternoon where the little girls wandered off from? 05:29.000 --> 05:36.000 Exactly where I pointed it out to the other office, where the eucalyptus girls. Right off seven 05:36.000 --> 05:39.500 Just about two or three minutes after noon. We found a place, a concrete 05:39.500 --> 05:48.000 taking a note, and there was the other. I saw the girls playing tag over by the tree. I looked up and it came out to me as a girl. Just like I pointed it out to the other office. 05:48.000 --> 05:54.000 Then you're sure about that little case, isn't it? Of course I'm sure. What's my loyalty? How am I going to find the girls? 05:54.000 --> 06:00.000 Thanks, my dear. Thanks. Come on, honey. Take it easy, huh? 06:00.000 --> 06:04.000 It's just never happened to us before, Sergeant. 06:04.000 --> 06:11.000 It's only until it's never gone off like this. It's not like them, that's all. Only babies, really. 06:11.000 --> 06:15.000 Would you like me to get that boy with the ties in? Yes, sir. Would you please? 06:15.000 --> 06:23.000 Oh, hi, Wilkie. Tell me, anything? No, I can't. You? Want to step outside? 06:23.000 --> 06:24.000 Yeah. 06:24.000 --> 06:33.000 Yeah. Ralph and I checked with a guy who runs an ice cream wagon. He works the area in the park where the kid had disappeared, what'd he tell you? 06:33.000 --> 06:47.000 He saw a couple of little girls about a half a mile from that eucalyptus grove. About three o'clock this afternoon, I was with a man who said he saw the man put the kid in a truck and drove off with him. 06:47.000 --> 06:55.000 Together with Tom, Wilkie, Ben, and I left the home of Mr. Lynn Frank Clarkson's parents who were missing girls without telling them about the latest reports. 06:55.000 --> 07:01.000 Until it was positively confirmed, we felt that telling them would serve no purpose other than to worry them needlessly. 07:01.000 --> 07:12.000 The ice cream van there are Mr. George Comanche's who had reported seeing the four-year-old girls instead of to drive out with us to the park area where he spotted the children in the company of an unidentified man. 07:12.000 --> 07:23.000 I was right over there, officers. This big guy, a mustache, he had the little girls, one on each hand. He was walking around that clump of trees over there. 07:23.000 --> 07:33.000 Think you can describe the man for us, Mr. Comanche? I didn't look that close. I thought he was the father. The kids were sniffling, you know. Maybe like they'd been crying. 07:33.000 --> 07:38.000 I better check the ground over there by the trees. I won't be long. Yeah, sure. Ben, I want to give a look over here. 07:38.000 --> 07:43.000 Didn't you notice anything at all about this man, Mr. Comanche? I mean, other than his mustache? 07:43.000 --> 07:56.000 Well, big man, big shoulders, regular truck driver, you know, work shoes, blue shirt, blue pants, these I guess. How about the color of his hair? Some kind of distinguishing marks, maybe? 07:56.000 --> 08:04.000 No, I don't know. I thought he was the father. The kids were sniffling there. The little girls. Was anything wrong? Didn't look like it. 08:04.000 --> 08:12.000 How about this man's truck? Did you notice that? No, I didn't. I was busy with the freezer motor then. Gives me lots of trouble all the time. 08:12.000 --> 08:17.000 What about the last one, Mr. Melvin? Did you have a look at that? Maybe I should have looked. I didn't. 08:17.000 --> 08:25.000 A bag of peanuts, all this is. Warm, nice and fresh. Yeah, thanks. There you are. Why don't you eat them while they're warm? Good. 08:25.000 --> 08:28.000 No, I saved them for my boys. Crazy for peanuts. 08:28.000 --> 08:46.000 Melvin, can I have a beer with you? Sure, sure. Go ahead. Melvin, Sam found these over in the bushes by the seabed. What did he see? Little girls with petticoats, little girls dressed. Ripped to pieces. 08:46.000 --> 09:01.000 8.24 p.m. The area where the torn clothing was found was roped off and thanks to footprints and other physical evidence, none was found. Commicide detail was notified and joined in the investigation. 09:01.000 --> 09:11.000 The torn petticoat and dress were taken down to Lee Jones at the crime lab for examination, and they were shown to the father of the missing children's white carsten. He definitely identified them. 09:11.000 --> 09:19.000 The search for the four-year-old twins, Joe and Tilly, was intensified. An emergency spot check was made of all known and registered sexual psychopaths. 09:19.000 --> 09:32.000 From the hundreds of names, the staff's office came up with one that might possibly tie in. It was listed as DHL Grahamberg. His address was at the end of Seventh Avenue, close to the park area where the Carson twins had disappeared. 09:32.000 --> 09:44.000 On his marmot seat, Grahamberg was described as tall, well-built, dark hair with a mustache. We found him at his work, a small bar out in the Wilshire district. He was the organist there. 09:44.000 --> 09:48.000 Yeah, that's right. I live on Seventh Avenue, right across from the park. 09:48.000 --> 09:49.000 What about at this time? 09:49.000 --> 09:50.000 Nothing to do with them. 09:50.000 --> 09:53.000 Can you account for your time between noon and six o'clock tonight, Grahamberg? 09:53.000 --> 09:58.000 I don't know if I can or not. I don't keep a daily log, you know. They didn't tell me how to do that. 09:58.000 --> 10:02.000 Well, tell us where you were between noon and six o'clock tonight. That's all we want to know. 10:02.000 --> 10:04.000 That's quite a bit, doesn't it, eh? 10:04.000 --> 10:08.000 Well, as I told you, I was playing canasta with a mate and that. Was that shocking? 10:08.000 --> 10:12.000 Look, we're letting the moods for smart asses. You just give us an alibi, we can check. That's all. 10:12.000 --> 10:14.000 I don't know why you always have to bother me when something happens. 10:14.000 --> 10:16.000 You laid your own reputation and you didn't. 10:16.000 --> 10:26.000 Now what about it? I left my apartment about 11.30 this morning, I went down to Union Hall and paid my dues, had lunch with some friends, a little pigeon on a moocock. 10:26.000 --> 10:29.000 Then we went on a tour of one of the studios, all right? 10:29.000 --> 10:31.000 So your friends can partake for you? 10:31.000 --> 10:35.000 No, no, they won't. They left town tonight. The 815 train for San Francisco. 10:35.000 --> 10:36.000 Oh, yes, Mr. Selden? 10:36.000 --> 10:40.000 A special friend of mine from up North, Graham, wants to hear Indian love call, okay? 10:40.000 --> 10:42.000 Certainly, Mr. Selden. Right away. 10:44.000 --> 10:47.000 What about it, Grahamberg? Who's docking for your alibi? 10:47.000 --> 10:52.000 I already told you, my friends left town. You can check with a guard at the movie studio if you want. 10:52.000 --> 10:56.000 We had a pass, time punched in, time punched out, it should be all there. 10:56.000 --> 10:58.000 You want to call and check that studio? 10:58.000 --> 10:59.000 Yeah. 10:59.000 --> 11:03.000 I don't mean to be rude, Sergeant. I always did feel that registration business was unfair. 11:03.000 --> 11:04.000 Oh, is that so? 11:04.000 --> 11:06.000 Of course. Grossly unfair. 11:06.000 --> 11:08.000 How do you suggest we keep track of you? 11:08.000 --> 11:10.000 Why do I have to be kept track of anyway? 11:10.000 --> 11:12.000 You know as well as I do, you're right. 11:12.000 --> 11:17.000 It's all a lie, I hardly even touched the kid. I paid my time anyway. Why can't you give me a break? 11:17.000 --> 11:20.000 Every time something happens to a kid, I have a cop on my name. 11:20.000 --> 11:23.000 Were you in the Seventh Avenue Park at any time today, Grahamberg? 11:23.000 --> 11:24.000 What? 11:24.000 --> 11:26.000 Were you in the Seventh Avenue Park today? 11:26.000 --> 11:30.000 As a matter of fact, I was, yeah. I took a walk there. 11:30.000 --> 11:31.000 What time was that? 11:31.000 --> 11:34.000 I don't know. I left my friends after lunch. 11:34.000 --> 11:37.000 Came home to freshen up about 1.30, I guess. 11:37.000 --> 11:41.000 I was in the park about 1.45, 2 o'clock. Only stayed a few minutes. 11:41.000 --> 11:42.000 Where did you leave? 11:42.000 --> 11:44.000 About 2.15. 11:44.000 --> 11:46.000 You went from the park to meet your friends at the studio? 11:46.000 --> 11:48.000 Exactly right, yes. 11:48.000 --> 11:51.000 Did you see two dark-haired little girls while you were in the park? 11:51.000 --> 11:53.000 No, I didn't see anybody. I was by myself. 11:53.000 --> 11:54.000 Are you sure of that? 11:54.000 --> 11:59.000 Well, of course I'm sure. If I did see them, it wouldn't mean anything. 11:59.000 --> 12:02.000 I don't molest kids. I don't get along with them, that's all. 12:02.000 --> 12:04.000 Another one, Graham. I wonder if you'd mind playing Diane. 12:04.000 --> 12:05.000 I had a birthday party at home. 12:05.000 --> 12:06.000 All right. 12:06.000 --> 12:07.000 Thanks, man. 12:10.000 --> 12:12.000 What I was saying, Sergeant, it's the truth. 12:12.000 --> 12:14.000 I couldn't hurt a little kid. I never touched. 12:14.000 --> 12:15.000 Lowest bid you have. 12:15.000 --> 12:18.000 I know, but I just want to know how I feel. 12:18.000 --> 12:21.000 Maybe I don't get along with kids, but I couldn't hurt them. 12:21.000 --> 12:24.000 Little girls especially. I like kids, really. 12:24.000 --> 12:27.000 I just don't understand how I like them. 12:27.000 --> 12:30.000 It's a real strange thing, isn't it? 12:30.000 --> 12:31.000 Yeah. 12:31.000 --> 12:33.000 Well, can I see? 12:33.000 --> 12:35.000 Did you talk to the studio? 12:35.000 --> 12:37.000 Yeah, I checked with the girl and what'd she say? 12:37.000 --> 12:39.000 Graham Berg was there from 2.30 to 4.30. 12:39.000 --> 12:40.000 She double-checked the time? 12:40.000 --> 12:45.000 Yeah, she's alibi and good. 12:45.000 --> 12:49.000 10.55 p.m. The four-year-old Carston girls were still missing. 12:49.000 --> 12:55.000 A special detail of men from homicide were assigned to a general canvas of stores and homes in the park area. 12:55.000 --> 12:59.000 All the residents were questioned. No one had seen the children. 12:59.000 --> 13:04.000 11.20 p.m. We headed back to the Carston home. 13:04.000 --> 13:06.000 I'm all out of smokes, Joe. You got some? 13:06.000 --> 13:08.000 No, I'm out too. 13:08.000 --> 13:11.000 There's a drug store up ahead. I guess we'll get some there, huh? 13:11.000 --> 13:13.000 Yeah. 13:13.000 --> 13:17.000 That car in front of it, that's Wilkie and Bates' car, isn't it? 13:17.000 --> 13:18.000 Let's see. 13:18.000 --> 13:21.000 Yeah. Oh, here's Wilkie coming out of the drug store. 13:21.000 --> 13:25.000 Hey, Wilk, Amell, Joe, just talked to the office. 13:25.000 --> 13:26.000 Hey, you. 13:26.000 --> 13:28.000 They got a call from the Valley Station a few minutes ago. 13:28.000 --> 13:29.000 Yeah. 13:29.000 --> 13:41.000 The little girls, they've been found. 13:41.000 --> 13:48.000 You are listening to Drag Mets for the step-by-step solution to tonight's authentic case history. 13:48.000 --> 14:02.000 Here, step-by-step, are the actual reasons why Fatima is the quality king-size cigarette. 14:02.000 --> 14:11.000 Why in Fatima the difference is quality, quality of tobacco, the finest domestic and Turkish varieties, 14:11.000 --> 14:19.000 extra mild and superbly blended to give you a much different, much better flavor and aroma, 14:19.000 --> 14:27.000 quality of manufacture, smooth, round, perfect cigarettes, rolled in the finest paper money can buy, 14:27.000 --> 14:32.000 manufactured in the newest and most modern of all cigarette factories, 14:32.000 --> 14:37.000 quality even to the appearance of the bright, clean, gold and yellow package, 14:37.000 --> 14:44.000 carefully wrapped and sealed to bring you Fatima's rich, fresh, extra mild flavor. 14:44.000 --> 14:46.000 Compare Fatima yourself. 14:46.000 --> 14:52.000 Fatima is now cost the same as other long cigarettes, but your first puff will tell you. 14:52.000 --> 14:54.000 Ah, that's different. 14:54.000 --> 14:59.000 Yes, in Fatima, the difference is quality. 14:59.000 --> 15:01.000 Insist on Fatima. 15:01.000 --> 15:06.000 Start enjoying the quality king-size cigarette, Fatima. 15:06.000 --> 15:09.000 Best of all, long cigarettes. 15:09.000 --> 15:36.000 . 15:39.000 --> 15:41.200 where the girls were identified. 15:41.200 --> 15:44.400 They sent out a partial cancellation on the APB. 15:44.400 --> 15:46.520 The twin girls were taken to the Georgia City 15:46.520 --> 15:49.400 City Hospital where they were treated for cuts and bruises 15:49.400 --> 15:51.400 when they were returned to their home. 15:51.400 --> 15:52.880 The doctor reported that both girls 15:52.880 --> 15:54.880 had been criminal molested. 15:54.880 --> 15:57.120 The search for the abductor went on. 15:57.120 --> 15:59.400 Late the next day, Ben and I drove out to the Carson home 15:59.400 --> 16:01.600 to talk to the twins, Joan and Tilly. 16:01.600 --> 16:02.520 They had no luck at all. 16:02.520 --> 16:04.640 They were still shaken up from the excitement and shock 16:04.640 --> 16:06.200 of their experience. 16:06.200 --> 16:07.200 They went back to the living room 16:07.200 --> 16:08.640 with their mother, Helen Carson. 16:08.640 --> 16:10.160 It was the same thing this morning 16:10.160 --> 16:11.400 when I tried to question them. 16:11.400 --> 16:13.280 They just don't want to talk about it. 16:13.280 --> 16:14.800 Must have been horrible for us. 16:14.800 --> 16:17.480 Did they tell you anything at all, Mrs. Carson? 16:17.480 --> 16:20.000 Well, Joan just was here to talk about it. 16:20.000 --> 16:21.560 She says the man is big. 16:21.560 --> 16:23.320 That's all I can get out of him. 16:23.320 --> 16:25.040 Tilly seems a little more willing to talk, 16:25.040 --> 16:27.640 so she's always been a little more forward than Joan 16:27.640 --> 16:29.080 ever since they were babies. 16:29.080 --> 16:30.000 Well, I see. 16:30.000 --> 16:31.280 What could she have in common with all 16:31.280 --> 16:33.640 of what your other little girl told you about the man? 16:33.640 --> 16:36.200 She told his father the man had a mistake. 16:36.200 --> 16:39.840 Probably impressed her because my husband wears one too. 16:39.840 --> 16:41.520 Pretty certain she's right about that. 16:41.520 --> 16:43.960 I can usually tell when she's making up things. 16:43.960 --> 16:46.320 Well, how about the way the man was dressed, his clothes? 16:46.320 --> 16:49.080 No, they didn't mention anything particular. 16:49.080 --> 16:51.160 Tilly told me the man was dirty. 16:51.160 --> 16:52.880 She said it two or three times. 16:52.880 --> 16:55.040 Dirty, dirty clothes. 16:55.040 --> 16:57.280 She might admit the man had work clothes on. 16:57.280 --> 16:59.320 She had so many expressions, I don't know. 16:59.320 --> 17:01.680 Well, how did the man get your little girl into the truck? 17:01.680 --> 17:03.480 Did he offer them candy or something like that? 17:03.480 --> 17:05.920 Well, Tilly said something about a kitten. 17:05.920 --> 17:09.320 The man had a little kitten and he was going to give it to them. 17:09.320 --> 17:10.640 I told him about that once. 17:10.640 --> 17:13.360 I told him a thousand times, stay away from strangers. 17:13.360 --> 17:14.360 Don't go with them. 17:14.360 --> 17:15.240 Yes, ma'am. 17:15.240 --> 17:17.160 Did they tell you anything else at all about the man's 17:17.160 --> 17:19.200 description? 17:19.200 --> 17:21.360 Tilly said the man was big. 17:21.360 --> 17:23.120 I don't know if you could count on that. 17:23.120 --> 17:25.200 Everybody looks big to her. 17:25.200 --> 17:26.800 I talked to her an hour, but she just 17:26.800 --> 17:28.840 kept repeating the same story. 17:28.840 --> 17:32.480 The man made them cry toward their dresses, hurt them. 17:32.480 --> 17:33.880 Just horrible for them. 17:33.880 --> 17:34.720 Yes, ma'am. 17:34.720 --> 17:36.520 Did they tell you anything at all about the truck 17:36.520 --> 17:37.360 the man was driving? 17:37.360 --> 17:40.040 Maybe the color or something like that? 17:40.040 --> 17:43.800 Well, Tilly called it a big car, a funny big car. 17:43.800 --> 17:46.720 She said it was red with red pictures all over it. 17:46.720 --> 17:48.920 You can't put much faith in that, though. 17:48.920 --> 17:50.160 Or nothing. 17:50.160 --> 17:52.240 Everything's red to Tilly now. 17:52.240 --> 17:54.360 Everything has red pictures on it. 17:54.360 --> 17:56.520 Just the face she's going through. 17:56.520 --> 17:57.720 A few weeks ago, it was blue. 17:57.720 --> 17:59.200 Everything was blue to her. 17:59.200 --> 18:00.240 Now it's red. 18:00.240 --> 18:01.080 Everything's red. 18:01.080 --> 18:02.080 I see. 18:02.080 --> 18:03.600 Well, you think they might be able to tell you 18:03.600 --> 18:06.760 a little more in a day or so after they've quieted down? 18:06.760 --> 18:08.280 Well, I don't know. 18:08.280 --> 18:10.920 I certainly hope so. 18:10.920 --> 18:12.240 Thank God it's all over. 18:12.240 --> 18:13.240 Their home is safe. 18:13.240 --> 18:14.640 That's all that counts. 18:14.640 --> 18:16.840 Oh, ma'am, I'm afraid there's more to it than that. 18:16.840 --> 18:17.360 What? 18:17.360 --> 18:18.120 The man was dead. 18:18.120 --> 18:18.760 It's still free. 18:22.600 --> 18:24.040 Monday, August 9. 18:24.040 --> 18:26.080 A search for the suspect went on. 18:26.080 --> 18:28.440 All of us, the men from juvenile homicide detail, 18:28.440 --> 18:30.600 were pretty much feeling our way in the dark. 18:30.600 --> 18:32.880 Repeated questioning of residents living in the area 18:32.880 --> 18:35.840 where the abduction took place meted us nothing. 18:35.840 --> 18:38.360 Our two-star witnesses, the four-year-old twins, 18:38.360 --> 18:40.520 were able to contribute little. 18:40.520 --> 18:41.520 We stayed on it. 18:41.520 --> 18:44.160 Another three days of pounding the pavement, knocking on doors 18:44.160 --> 18:47.280 and asking stock questions led nowhere. 18:47.280 --> 18:49.520 Well, in most cases like this one, 18:49.520 --> 18:51.480 the criminal enjoyed the distinct advantage 18:51.480 --> 18:54.040 of having victims who were unable, because of their age, 18:54.040 --> 18:56.120 to clearly identify him. 18:56.120 --> 18:57.920 2 of the August 10. 18:57.920 --> 19:00.440 In the late afternoon, we got a call from a Bernice Hopper, 19:00.440 --> 19:02.920 a River State agent in the West Hollywood area. 19:02.920 --> 19:04.080 4.15 PM. 19:04.080 --> 19:08.080 Ben and I drove out to interview her. 19:08.080 --> 19:09.040 Excuse me, officer. 19:09.040 --> 19:11.280 Let me try to find that lifting device first. 19:11.280 --> 19:12.480 Right ahead, Miss Hopper. 19:12.480 --> 19:15.280 I just know it's got to be here someplace. 19:15.280 --> 19:17.960 Oh, yesterday morning, I remember just think. 19:17.960 --> 19:21.040 Oh, here it is. 19:21.040 --> 19:22.240 There. 19:22.240 --> 19:24.040 Now you start to do business again. 19:26.720 --> 19:30.080 Well, I don't know if this is going to help you any. 19:30.080 --> 19:31.340 In your case, officers, 19:31.340 --> 19:33.860 but I certainly think something should be done about it. 19:33.860 --> 19:35.280 Flagrant. 19:35.280 --> 19:37.640 The only word I can think of, just flagrant. 19:37.640 --> 19:39.400 Well, you like to tell us about it, ma'am? 19:39.400 --> 19:42.080 Well, I saw him yesterday, for one thing. 19:42.080 --> 19:45.440 So I was coming back from lunch about 2 30 in the afternoon. 19:45.440 --> 19:47.120 Monday's all, we had a late lunch. 19:47.120 --> 19:48.380 That's important. 19:48.380 --> 19:49.980 I was tapping in 친구 19:49.980 --> 19:53.520 to a toolbox at grammar school right up above on Prospect Avenue. 19:53.520 --> 19:55.280 And I saw this truck parked 19:55.280 --> 19:58.700 and this truck driver 19:58.700 --> 20:05.700 I couldn't understand a grown man talking little talk like that. 20:05.700 --> 20:15.700 Every time he spoke, every obscene word you'd think of. 20:15.700 --> 20:17.700 Slagging, just slagging. 20:17.700 --> 20:20.700 Was there any point in the way they were talking to the children, Miss Hopper? 20:20.700 --> 20:22.700 I mean, was he mad at them? 20:22.700 --> 20:24.700 Did they think they were going to be fine? 20:24.700 --> 20:29.700 He was filthy, that's all I know. 20:29.700 --> 20:31.700 He was dirty and filthy. 20:31.700 --> 20:34.700 Some of the children didn't like it, and he told them. 20:34.700 --> 20:36.700 Tell me what you want to know more. 20:36.700 --> 20:38.700 I really think you ought to check up on him. 20:38.700 --> 20:39.700 Yes, ma'am. 20:39.700 --> 20:41.700 Can you tell us anything else about him? 20:41.700 --> 20:43.700 Oh, excuse me. 20:43.700 --> 20:44.700 Get that bird. 20:44.700 --> 20:46.700 How do you do? 20:46.700 --> 20:48.700 My name is Cindy Hopper. May I help you? 20:48.700 --> 20:50.700 How do you do? I'm Arthur Tomlinson. 20:50.700 --> 20:52.700 You showed me the white place last weekend. 20:52.700 --> 20:54.700 Oh, yes, of course, Mr. Tomlinson. 20:54.700 --> 20:56.700 A cottage on Norwich, wasn't it? 20:56.700 --> 20:58.700 Yeah, that's right. 20:58.700 --> 21:00.700 The wife and I certainly didn't like it. 21:00.700 --> 21:02.700 She wants me to put a deposit on it. 21:02.700 --> 21:04.700 It's tough to say, I guess. 21:04.700 --> 21:06.700 Well, no, as a matter of fact, I sold it on Monday. 21:06.700 --> 21:09.700 It's just like I told you, things go fast. 21:09.700 --> 21:13.700 Of course, you had a substantial down payment to make at the time. 21:13.700 --> 21:18.700 Oh, yeah, it did take me a few days to get some money together. 21:18.700 --> 21:20.700 That's too bad. 21:20.700 --> 21:23.700 The ladies certainly loved the place. 21:23.700 --> 21:25.700 That's too bad, I guess. 21:25.700 --> 21:27.700 Oh, I'm very sorry, Mr. Tomlinson. 21:27.700 --> 21:29.700 There wasn't anything I could do. 21:29.700 --> 21:31.700 Oh, yeah, I know that. 21:31.700 --> 21:33.700 Well, thanks anyway, ma'am. 21:33.700 --> 21:35.700 I guess we'll keep looking. Something may turn up. 21:35.700 --> 21:37.700 I'm sure it will. 21:37.700 --> 21:39.700 Thanks for stopping by again, Mr. Tomlinson. 21:39.700 --> 21:41.700 Yeah, bye. 21:44.700 --> 21:46.700 Oh, my. 21:46.700 --> 21:48.700 Everybody wants something to nothing. 21:48.700 --> 21:50.700 They want houses, but they don't show the money. 21:50.700 --> 21:52.700 You know what was it? 21:52.700 --> 21:54.700 The truck driver that you saw there? 21:54.700 --> 21:56.700 Oh, yeah. 21:56.700 --> 22:00.700 Well, after hearing that talk of his, I just copied down the license number of the truck I got right here in my desk. 22:00.700 --> 22:02.700 Well, how about the truck driver, ma'am? 22:02.700 --> 22:04.700 Did you feel good letting him? 22:04.700 --> 22:06.700 I think we did. 22:06.700 --> 22:08.700 The way he acted with those children. 22:08.700 --> 22:10.700 What was unusual about his appearance? 22:10.700 --> 22:12.700 No, nothing besides his soft mouth. 22:12.700 --> 22:14.700 He was tall, dark, had a mustache. 22:14.700 --> 22:16.700 I see. 22:16.700 --> 22:18.700 One more thing. 22:18.700 --> 22:20.700 Trust you, darling. 22:20.700 --> 22:22.700 Yes, ma'am. 22:22.700 --> 22:24.700 There were pictures hanging around the side. Circus animals, I think. 22:24.700 --> 22:26.700 Did you notice the color? 22:26.700 --> 22:28.700 Oh, yes. It was red. 22:28.700 --> 22:30.700 I mean, the pictures are red. 22:34.700 --> 22:36.700 4.45 p.m. 22:36.700 --> 22:38.700 We took the license number of the truck which Bernice Hopper had given us 22:38.700 --> 22:40.700 and drove back to the office and checked it through DMV. 22:40.700 --> 22:44.700 We found the truck was registered to a commercial baking firm in the south end of town. 22:44.700 --> 22:48.700 Through their personnel department and their dispatcher's office, 22:48.700 --> 22:52.700 we got the name and address of the employee who was driving the truck the same day 22:52.700 --> 22:54.700 Bernice Hopper had spotted the driver talking to the school children. 22:54.700 --> 22:56.700 His name was Lester Wiley. 22:56.700 --> 22:58.700 We checked a little further, 22:58.700 --> 23:02.700 found that he was driving the same truck the day the Carston twins were abducted. 23:02.700 --> 23:04.700 We called into our NRI. 23:04.700 --> 23:06.700 Wiley had no criminal record. 23:06.700 --> 23:08.700 6.30 p.m. 23:08.700 --> 23:10.700 We located the suspect at his home, 23:10.700 --> 23:14.700 an old-style Gouman's White bungalow on the edge of the Highland Park district. 23:14.700 --> 23:20.700 We sat in the dining room and drank some kind of sweet wine from a large water glass while we questioned him. 23:20.700 --> 23:22.700 That's just stupid of me, huh? 23:22.700 --> 23:24.700 I didn't even ask if you wanted some of this. 23:24.700 --> 23:25.700 Oh, thank you, Wiley. 23:25.700 --> 23:29.700 I'd like to hear you explain a bunch of language in front of those school kids. 23:29.700 --> 23:31.700 Nothing to explain. 23:35.700 --> 23:38.700 Bunch of those kids are hanging around the truck. 23:38.700 --> 23:40.700 Well, maybe they wanted to get in and grab some of the cakes and stuff. 23:40.700 --> 23:41.700 I read them off itself. 23:41.700 --> 23:44.700 Well, that still doesn't explain the filthy language, Wiley. 23:44.700 --> 23:48.700 Hmm? I don't know. Maybe I wasn't feeling good that day. 23:49.700 --> 23:51.700 Might have let a few cuss words slip. 23:51.700 --> 23:54.700 I didn't mean anything bad. I like kids. 23:54.700 --> 23:57.700 Do you usually make deliveries up around that school area, Wiley? 23:57.700 --> 23:59.700 Well, so how? Yeah, I get around quite a bit. 23:59.700 --> 24:02.700 That's not what they tell us down in the woods, huh? 24:02.700 --> 24:04.700 You've had no business in the neighborhood of that school. 24:04.700 --> 24:06.700 You deliver ruts on the other end of town. 24:06.700 --> 24:08.700 So I can't drive from one, huh? 24:08.700 --> 24:10.700 I get the deliveries made, what are they squawking about? 24:10.700 --> 24:12.700 I'd like to know what you were doing up in that neighborhood. 24:12.700 --> 24:13.700 I was on my lunch hour. 24:13.700 --> 24:15.700 I drove up to see a friend. 24:15.700 --> 24:17.700 I got a friend living near the school. 24:17.700 --> 24:19.700 What's the matter, anyway? 24:23.700 --> 24:26.700 Don't you think you've had enough of that? 24:26.700 --> 24:28.700 Look, you're not telling me what I have to do in my house. 24:28.700 --> 24:29.700 It's my house. 24:29.700 --> 24:31.700 I want a glass of wine, I have it. You're not telling me what to do. 24:31.700 --> 24:33.700 All right, Wiley, just take it easy. 24:33.700 --> 24:35.700 Take it easy nothing. I talked to you too long enough. 24:35.700 --> 24:37.700 Where's the door? You're not coming in here telling me what to do. 24:37.700 --> 24:39.700 You better get your coat, we'll talk downtown. 24:39.700 --> 24:41.700 We're not talking any place. 24:41.700 --> 24:43.700 Now get out. Get out of this house right now. 24:43.700 --> 24:45.700 I heard your alibi's not going to hold up, Wiley. 24:45.700 --> 24:46.700 Say it. 24:46.700 --> 24:48.700 I don't know what you're talking about. 24:48.700 --> 24:50.700 You're trying to frame me, don't you think I know that? 24:50.700 --> 24:52.700 That doesn't make much sense. Why should we want to frame you? 24:52.700 --> 24:54.700 I don't know what you're getting at. 24:54.700 --> 24:56.700 No, just what you're getting at. 24:56.700 --> 24:59.700 Those two little girls last week, you're going to say I took them. 24:59.700 --> 25:01.700 You're going to say I did things to them. 25:01.700 --> 25:02.700 Well, I didn't. 25:02.700 --> 25:03.700 I didn't have anything to do with it. 25:03.700 --> 25:04.700 Didn't you? 25:04.700 --> 25:07.700 Oh, no. No, I didn't. 25:09.700 --> 25:13.700 Oh, look, I'm sorry. Why don't you sit down? 25:14.700 --> 25:17.700 You didn't mean what I said. I just got nervous. 25:17.700 --> 25:19.700 Sure, Wiley, we understand. 25:20.700 --> 25:22.700 Why don't you let me get a couple glasses, huh? 25:22.700 --> 25:23.700 Have some of this wine. 25:23.700 --> 25:25.700 Warm job. Good. 25:25.700 --> 25:26.700 No, thank you. 25:26.700 --> 25:29.700 Just like to have you straighten this out on a couple of things and we'll let you know. 25:29.700 --> 25:30.700 Yeah? 25:30.700 --> 25:35.700 Like to know if you're going to come for your time between 12 noon and 11 p.m. on a Saturday. 25:38.700 --> 25:41.700 That's the day somebody picked up those two little girls, isn't it? 25:41.700 --> 25:42.700 Yeah, that's right. 25:44.700 --> 25:45.700 Wiley? 25:45.700 --> 25:48.700 I don't know. I was making deliveries like I always do. 25:48.700 --> 25:49.700 Up to 11 o'clock at night? 25:49.700 --> 25:51.700 I was a little late, yeah. 25:51.700 --> 25:53.700 Nothing unusual, though. 25:53.700 --> 25:54.700 Is that so? 25:54.700 --> 25:56.700 No. Another working day, so. 25:56.700 --> 25:58.700 That's a good wine. 26:02.700 --> 26:05.700 I might have been near the park where those kids were. 26:05.700 --> 26:08.700 It doesn't mean anything, though. I get around quite a bit. 26:08.700 --> 26:10.700 A lot of deliveries to make. 26:10.700 --> 26:12.700 All right, come on. How about it, Wiley? 26:12.700 --> 26:14.700 Did you grab those two little girls? 26:14.700 --> 26:15.700 I want to go. 26:21.700 --> 26:24.700 All right, Mr. SNF. Get out of my house. Get out of my house. 26:24.700 --> 26:26.700 Get out of my house. Get out of my house. 26:26.700 --> 26:27.700 All right, Ben, get them on him. 26:27.700 --> 26:29.700 All right. 26:30.700 --> 26:31.700 You have a pool, but you know that. 26:31.700 --> 26:33.700 What about it, Wiley? 26:33.700 --> 26:36.700 It's a use. No good at all. 26:36.700 --> 26:38.700 You want to tell us about it? 26:38.700 --> 26:40.700 I didn't mean it, that's all. 26:40.700 --> 26:42.700 I didn't mean it. 26:42.700 --> 26:46.700 Just once in a while, something goes wrong with me. 26:47.700 --> 26:51.700 I like kids. I don't do much, I guess. 26:51.700 --> 26:54.700 I don't mean to hurt them. 26:54.700 --> 26:55.700 You ready to go now? 26:55.700 --> 26:57.700 Anything you say. 26:58.700 --> 27:01.700 I thought I had it with me when I grabbed the kids. 27:01.700 --> 27:02.700 What? 27:02.700 --> 27:04.700 I thought it was in my coat pocket. 27:04.700 --> 27:05.700 Glad I lost it. 27:05.700 --> 27:06.700 Glad you lost what? 27:06.700 --> 27:09.700 The pocket knife. I was going to kill them. 27:16.700 --> 27:18.700 The story you have just heard was true. 27:18.700 --> 27:21.700 Only the man was changed to protect the innocent. 27:21.700 --> 27:24.700 On December 10th, trial was held in Superior Court, 27:24.700 --> 27:27.700 Department 87, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. 27:27.700 --> 27:30.700 In a moment, the results of that trial. 27:30.700 --> 27:32.700 Now here is our star, Jack Webb. 27:32.700 --> 27:33.700 Thank you. 27:33.700 --> 27:35.700 Friends, as you might have heard me say before, 27:35.700 --> 27:39.700 on Dragnet we try to present the kind of entertainment that you want. 27:39.700 --> 27:40.700 You're the boss. 27:40.700 --> 27:42.700 We feel the same way about petunias. 27:42.700 --> 27:44.700 If you like them, you'll smoke them. 27:44.700 --> 27:45.700 It's just that simple. 27:45.700 --> 27:47.700 For me, I like them. 27:47.700 --> 27:50.700 But what's more important, I'm convinced that you will too. 27:50.700 --> 27:55.700 Petunias have a much different, much better flavor and aroma than any other long cigarette. 27:55.700 --> 27:59.700 So I suggest that you buy a pack of petunias and see for yourself. 27:59.700 --> 28:04.700 When you do, I'm sure you'll agree with me and thousands of other regular petunia smokers. 28:04.700 --> 28:07.700 In petunia, the difference is quality. 28:07.700 --> 28:14.700 ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] 28:14.700 --> 28:17.700 Lester Wiley waived his rights to a preliminary hearing, 28:17.700 --> 28:20.700 and at his arraignment in Superior Court, 28:20.700 --> 28:25.700 he entered a plea of guilty to one count of kidnapping and one count of child molesting. 28:25.700 --> 28:30.700 He received the sentence as prescribed by law and is now serving his term in the state penitentiary. 28:30.700 --> 28:38.700 ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] 28:38.700 --> 28:43.700 You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official fires. 28:43.700 --> 28:50.700 Technical advice for Dragnet comes from the Office of Chief of Police, W.H. 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