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For the next 30 minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel step-by-step on the side of the law to an actual case transcribed from official police files. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, DRAGNEST is the story of your police force in action. 13 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:26,000 It's Saturday, August 7th. It's hot in Los Angeles. We were working the day we watched out a juvenile bureau. My partner is Ben Romero. The boss is Inspector Bowie. My name's Fred. 14 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:32,000 It's 7.35 p.m. and we got to where we parked our car. 80K. 15 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Thanks, senior. Your house is back that way, huh? Yeah. You like to fill around here, huh? Yeah, I like to fill around here, huh? 16 00:02:48,000 --> 00:03:03,000 I'm on that side. Okay. One of them here. No, you better wait a minute. Okay. It's all clear now. 17 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:17,000 I don't know about you. I think there's something sour about the whole thing. Well, what do we check at the house? The kids might have turned up while we were going. I hope so. Should have to go back there empty-handed. Not one lousy lead. 18 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Hard to figure. The little girls just wandered off. Somebody could have spotted them by this time. I guess there was some kind of an accident. Yeah. What time you got? 19 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Twenty minutes late. Five hours. A long time for a pair of four-year-olds to be out of sight in it. Parents are going to be worried sick from the tell them. Let's sit up the next block, will we? Oh, yeah. Might as well pull up right here. Yeah, that's good. 20 00:03:49,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Let's go. 21 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Lovely job. Oh, come in. Thank you. Have you heard anything? Not too much, Mr. Carson. We're just checking the neighborhood. Somebody around must have seen the kids. Did you talk to everybody? We checked out all the names you gave us. 22 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Everyone who knows your little girl, the kids they play with, their friends, parents, storekeepers in the area. But somebody had to see her. They've got to be around someplace. 23 00:04:34,000 --> 00:05:03,000 John, until we get lost in that park, I know there would have had it up to at home. Pardon? What is it? The band? No, we're still checking, Miss Carson. There's nothing much to tell you right now. They've got somebody, sir. Tell them they couldn't have wandered off that path. I don't think it's as bad as it might seem to you, ma'am. Children have been missing a lot longer than you two little girls and turned up all right. Just try to relax, Miss Carson. Why hasn't somebody seen the one you lost when you were in the park, but it's only three blocks from your house? Why hasn't somebody seen it? 24 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Well, it's not something you can't imagine. Doctor, God knows what could have happened to me, ma'am. Take it easy, honey. Don't start imagining things. 25 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Something you get the matter of time, ma'am. You've got three teams of men working on it with us. Got another broadcat and your little girl. 26 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Did you talk to the farmers on the street in Pettiton? Yes, ma'am. We did. We checked out all the names you gave us. There is one thing we wanted to ask you about. What's that, Sergeant? 27 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,000 About the spot in the park where you had your picnic this afternoon where the little girls wandered off from? 28 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Exactly where I pointed it out to the other office, where the eucalyptus girls. Right off seven 29 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,500 Just about two or three minutes after noon. We found a place, a concrete 30 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:48,000 taking a note, and there was the other. I saw the girls playing tag over by the tree. I looked up and it came out to me as a girl. Just like I pointed it out to the other office. 31 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Then you're sure about that little case, isn't it? Of course I'm sure. What's my loyalty? How am I going to find the girls? 32 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Thanks, my dear. Thanks. Come on, honey. Take it easy, huh? 33 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,000 It's just never happened to us before, Sergeant. 34 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:11,000 It's only until it's never gone off like this. It's not like them, that's all. Only babies, really. 35 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Would you like me to get that boy with the ties in? Yes, sir. Would you please? 36 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Oh, hi, Wilkie. Tell me, anything? No, I can't. You? Want to step outside? 37 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Yeah. 38 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Yeah. Ralph and I checked with a guy who runs an ice cream wagon. He works the area in the park where the kid had disappeared, what'd he tell you? 39 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:47,000 He saw a couple of little girls about a half a mile from that eucalyptus grove. About three o'clock this afternoon, I was with a man who said he saw the man put the kid in a truck and drove off with him. 40 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Together with Tom, Wilkie, Ben, and I left the home of Mr. Lynn Frank Clarkson's parents who were missing girls without telling them about the latest reports. 41 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Until it was positively confirmed, we felt that telling them would serve no purpose other than to worry them needlessly. 42 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:12,000 The ice cream van there are Mr. George Comanche's who had reported seeing the four-year-old girls instead of to drive out with us to the park area where he spotted the children in the company of an unidentified man. 43 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:23,000 I was right over there, officers. This big guy, a mustache, he had the little girls, one on each hand. He was walking around that clump of trees over there. 44 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Think you can describe the man for us, Mr. Comanche? I didn't look that close. I thought he was the father. The kids were sniffling, you know. Maybe like they'd been crying. 45 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000 I better check the ground over there by the trees. I won't be long. Yeah, sure. Ben, I want to give a look over here. 46 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Didn't you notice anything at all about this man, Mr. Comanche? I mean, other than his mustache? 47 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Well, big man, big shoulders, regular truck driver, you know, work shoes, blue shirt, blue pants, these I guess. How about the color of his hair? Some kind of distinguishing marks, maybe? 48 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:04,000 No, I don't know. I thought he was the father. The kids were sniffling there. The little girls. Was anything wrong? Didn't look like it. 49 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:12,000 How about this man's truck? Did you notice that? No, I didn't. I was busy with the freezer motor then. Gives me lots of trouble all the time. 50 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,000 What about the last one, Mr. Melvin? Did you have a look at that? Maybe I should have looked. I didn't. 51 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:25,000 A bag of peanuts, all this is. Warm, nice and fresh. Yeah, thanks. There you are. Why don't you eat them while they're warm? Good. 52 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,000 No, I saved them for my boys. Crazy for peanuts. 53 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Melvin, can I have a beer with you? Sure, sure. Go ahead. Melvin, Sam found these over in the bushes by the seabed. What did he see? Little girls with petticoats, little girls dressed. Ripped to pieces. 54 00:08:46,000 --> 00:09:01,000 8.24 p.m. The area where the torn clothing was found was roped off and thanks to footprints and other physical evidence, none was found. Commicide detail was notified and joined in the investigation. 55 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:11,000 The torn petticoat and dress were taken down to Lee Jones at the crime lab for examination, and they were shown to the father of the missing children's white carsten. He definitely identified them. 56 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:19,000 The search for the four-year-old twins, Joe and Tilly, was intensified. An emergency spot check was made of all known and registered sexual psychopaths. 57 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:32,000 From the hundreds of names, the staff's office came up with one that might possibly tie in. It was listed as DHL Grahamberg. His address was at the end of Seventh Avenue, close to the park area where the Carson twins had disappeared. 58 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:44,000 On his marmot seat, Grahamberg was described as tall, well-built, dark hair with a mustache. We found him at his work, a small bar out in the Wilshire district. He was the organist there. 59 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,000 Yeah, that's right. I live on Seventh Avenue, right across from the park. 60 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000 What about at this time? 61 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Nothing to do with them. 62 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Can you account for your time between noon and six o'clock tonight, Grahamberg? 63 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:58,000 I don't know if I can or not. I don't keep a daily log, you know. They didn't tell me how to do that. 64 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Well, tell us where you were between noon and six o'clock tonight. That's all we want to know. 65 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 That's quite a bit, doesn't it, eh? 66 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,000 Well, as I told you, I was playing canasta with a mate and that. Was that shocking? 67 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Look, we're letting the moods for smart asses. You just give us an alibi, we can check. That's all. 68 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 I don't know why you always have to bother me when something happens. 69 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 You laid your own reputation and you didn't. 70 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Now what about it? I left my apartment about 11.30 this morning, I went down to Union Hall and paid my dues, had lunch with some friends, a little pigeon on a moocock. 71 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Then we went on a tour of one of the studios, all right? 72 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,000 So your friends can partake for you? 73 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,000 No, no, they won't. They left town tonight. The 815 train for San Francisco. 74 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Oh, yes, Mr. Selden? 75 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,000 A special friend of mine from up North, Graham, wants to hear Indian love call, okay? 76 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Certainly, Mr. Selden. Right away. 77 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,000 What about it, Grahamberg? Who's docking for your alibi? 78 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 I already told you, my friends left town. You can check with a guard at the movie studio if you want. 79 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,000 We had a pass, time punched in, time punched out, it should be all there. 80 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,000 You want to call and check that studio? 81 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Yeah. 82 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,000 I don't mean to be rude, Sergeant. I always did feel that registration business was unfair. 83 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Oh, is that so? 84 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Of course. Grossly unfair. 85 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,000 How do you suggest we keep track of you? 86 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Why do I have to be kept track of anyway? 87 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 You know as well as I do, you're right. 88 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:17,000 It's all a lie, I hardly even touched the kid. I paid my time anyway. Why can't you give me a break? 89 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Every time something happens to a kid, I have a cop on my name. 90 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Were you in the Seventh Avenue Park at any time today, Grahamberg? 91 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 What? 92 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Were you in the Seventh Avenue Park today? 93 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000 As a matter of fact, I was, yeah. I took a walk there. 94 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 What time was that? 95 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,000 I don't know. I left my friends after lunch. 96 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Came home to freshen up about 1.30, I guess. 97 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,000 I was in the park about 1.45, 2 o'clock. Only stayed a few minutes. 98 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Where did you leave? 99 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 About 2.15. 100 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 You went from the park to meet your friends at the studio? 101 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Exactly right, yes. 102 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Did you see two dark-haired little girls while you were in the park? 103 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,000 No, I didn't see anybody. I was by myself. 104 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Are you sure of that? 105 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Well, of course I'm sure. If I did see them, it wouldn't mean anything. 106 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 I don't molest kids. I don't get along with them, that's all. 107 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Another one, Graham. I wonder if you'd mind playing Diane. 108 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000 I had a birthday party at home. 109 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000 All right. 110 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Thanks, man. 111 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,000 What I was saying, Sergeant, it's the truth. 112 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,000 I couldn't hurt a little kid. I never touched. 113 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Lowest bid you have. 114 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,000 I know, but I just want to know how I feel. 115 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Maybe I don't get along with kids, but I couldn't hurt them. 116 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Little girls especially. I like kids, really. 117 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 I just don't understand how I like them. 118 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,000 It's a real strange thing, isn't it? 119 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Yeah. 120 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Well, can I see? 121 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Did you talk to the studio? 122 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Yeah, I checked with the girl and what'd she say? 123 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Graham Berg was there from 2.30 to 4.30. 124 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000 She double-checked the time? 125 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Yeah, she's alibi and good. 126 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,000 10.55 p.m. The four-year-old Carston girls were still missing. 127 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:55,000 A special detail of men from homicide were assigned to a general canvas of stores and homes in the park area. 128 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,000 All the residents were questioned. No one had seen the children. 129 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,000 11.20 p.m. We headed back to the Carston home. 130 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 I'm all out of smokes, Joe. You got some? 131 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 No, I'm out too. 132 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,000 There's a drug store up ahead. I guess we'll get some there, huh? 133 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Yeah. 134 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,000 That car in front of it, that's Wilkie and Bates' car, isn't it? 135 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Let's see. 136 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Yeah. Oh, here's Wilkie coming out of the drug store. 137 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Hey, Wilk, Amell, Joe, just talked to the office. 138 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Hey, you. 139 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 They got a call from the Valley Station a few minutes ago. 140 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Yeah. 141 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:41,000 The little girls, they've been found. 142 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:48,000 You are listening to Drag Mets for the step-by-step solution to tonight's authentic case history. 143 00:13:48,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Here, step-by-step, are the actual reasons why Fatima is the quality king-size cigarette. 144 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Why in Fatima the difference is quality, quality of tobacco, the finest domestic and Turkish varieties, 145 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:19,000 extra mild and superbly blended to give you a much different, much better flavor and aroma, 146 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:27,000 quality of manufacture, smooth, round, perfect cigarettes, rolled in the finest paper money can buy, 147 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,000 manufactured in the newest and most modern of all cigarette factories, 148 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:37,000 quality even to the appearance of the bright, clean, gold and yellow package, 149 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:44,000 carefully wrapped and sealed to bring you Fatima's rich, fresh, extra mild flavor. 150 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Compare Fatima yourself. 151 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Fatima is now cost the same as other long cigarettes, but your first puff will tell you. 152 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Ah, that's different. 153 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Yes, in Fatima, the difference is quality. 154 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Insist on Fatima. 155 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Start enjoying the quality king-size cigarette, Fatima. 156 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Best of all, long cigarettes. 157 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:36,000 . 158 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,200 where the girls were identified. 159 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,400 They sent out a partial cancellation on the APB. 160 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,520 The twin girls were taken to the Georgia City 161 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,400 City Hospital where they were treated for cuts and bruises 162 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,400 when they were returned to their home. 163 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,880 The doctor reported that both girls 164 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,880 had been criminal molested. 165 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,120 The search for the abductor went on. 166 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,400 Late the next day, Ben and I drove out to the Carson home 167 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,600 to talk to the twins, Joan and Tilly. 168 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,520 They had no luck at all. 169 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,640 They were still shaken up from the excitement and shock 170 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,200 of their experience. 171 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,200 They went back to the living room 172 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,640 with their mother, Helen Carson. 173 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,160 It was the same thing this morning 174 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,400 when I tried to question them. 175 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,280 They just don't want to talk about it. 176 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,800 Must have been horrible for us. 177 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,480 Did they tell you anything at all, Mrs. Carson? 178 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,000 Well, Joan just was here to talk about it. 179 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,560 She says the man is big. 180 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,320 That's all I can get out of him. 181 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,040 Tilly seems a little more willing to talk, 182 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,640 so she's always been a little more forward than Joan 183 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,080 ever since they were babies. 184 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,000 Well, I see. 185 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,280 What could she have in common with all 186 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,640 of what your other little girl told you about the man? 187 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,200 She told his father the man had a mistake. 188 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,840 Probably impressed her because my husband wears one too. 189 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,520 Pretty certain she's right about that. 190 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,960 I can usually tell when she's making up things. 191 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Well, how about the way the man was dressed, his clothes? 192 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,080 No, they didn't mention anything particular. 193 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,160 Tilly told me the man was dirty. 194 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,880 She said it two or three times. 195 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,040 Dirty, dirty clothes. 196 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,280 She might admit the man had work clothes on. 197 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,320 She had so many expressions, I don't know. 198 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,680 Well, how did the man get your little girl into the truck? 199 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,480 Did he offer them candy or something like that? 200 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,920 Well, Tilly said something about a kitten. 201 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,320 The man had a little kitten and he was going to give it to them. 202 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,640 I told him about that once. 203 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,360 I told him a thousand times, stay away from strangers. 204 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:14,360 Don't go with them. 205 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:15,240 Yes, ma'am. 206 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,160 Did they tell you anything else at all about the man's 207 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,200 description? 208 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,360 Tilly said the man was big. 209 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:23,120 I don't know if you could count on that. 210 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:25,200 Everybody looks big to her. 211 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,800 I talked to her an hour, but she just 212 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,840 kept repeating the same story. 213 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,480 The man made them cry toward their dresses, hurt them. 214 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,880 Just horrible for them. 215 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:34,720 Yes, ma'am. 216 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,520 Did they tell you anything at all about the truck 217 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,360 the man was driving? 218 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:40,040 Maybe the color or something like that? 219 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Well, Tilly called it a big car, a funny big car. 220 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,720 She said it was red with red pictures all over it. 221 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,920 You can't put much faith in that, though. 222 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,160 Or nothing. 223 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,240 Everything's red to Tilly now. 224 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,360 Everything has red pictures on it. 225 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,520 Just the face she's going through. 226 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:57,720 A few weeks ago, it was blue. 227 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,200 Everything was blue to her. 228 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,240 Now it's red. 229 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,080 Everything's red. 230 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,080 I see. 231 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,600 Well, you think they might be able to tell you 232 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,760 a little more in a day or so after they've quieted down? 233 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Well, I don't know. 234 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,920 I certainly hope so. 235 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,240 Thank God it's all over. 236 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,240 Their home is safe. 237 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,640 That's all that counts. 238 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,840 Oh, ma'am, I'm afraid there's more to it than that. 239 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:17,360 What? 240 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:18,120 The man was dead. 241 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:18,760 It's still free. 242 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,040 Monday, August 9. 243 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,080 A search for the suspect went on. 244 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,440 All of us, the men from juvenile homicide detail, 245 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,600 were pretty much feeling our way in the dark. 246 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,880 Repeated questioning of residents living in the area 247 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,840 where the abduction took place meted us nothing. 248 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,360 Our two-star witnesses, the four-year-old twins, 249 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:40,520 were able to contribute little. 250 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,520 We stayed on it. 251 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,160 Another three days of pounding the pavement, knocking on doors 252 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,280 and asking stock questions led nowhere. 253 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,520 Well, in most cases like this one, 254 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,480 the criminal enjoyed the distinct advantage 255 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,040 of having victims who were unable, because of their age, 256 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,120 to clearly identify him. 257 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:57,920 2 of the August 10. 258 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,440 In the late afternoon, we got a call from a Bernice Hopper, 259 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,920 a River State agent in the West Hollywood area. 260 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,080 4.15 PM. 261 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,080 Ben and I drove out to interview her. 262 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,040 Excuse me, officer. 263 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,280 Let me try to find that lifting device first. 264 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Right ahead, Miss Hopper. 265 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,280 I just know it's got to be here someplace. 266 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,960 Oh, yesterday morning, I remember just think. 267 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,040 Oh, here it is. 268 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,240 There. 269 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,040 Now you start to do business again. 270 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,080 Well, I don't know if this is going to help you any. 271 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,340 In your case, officers, 272 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:33,860 but I certainly think something should be done about it. 273 00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:35,280 Flagrant. 274 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,640 The only word I can think of, just flagrant. 275 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,400 Well, you like to tell us about it, ma'am? 276 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,080 Well, I saw him yesterday, for one thing. 277 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,440 So I was coming back from lunch about 2 30 in the afternoon. 278 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,120 Monday's all, we had a late lunch. 279 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:48,380 That's important. 280 00:19:48,380 --> 00:19:49,980 I was tapping in 친구 281 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:53,520 to a toolbox at grammar school right up above on Prospect Avenue. 282 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,280 And I saw this truck parked 283 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,700 and this truck driver 284 00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:05,700 I couldn't understand a grown man talking little talk like that. 285 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:15,700 Every time he spoke, every obscene word you'd think of. 286 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:17,700 Slagging, just slagging. 287 00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:20,700 Was there any point in the way they were talking to the children, Miss Hopper? 288 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:22,700 I mean, was he mad at them? 289 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:24,700 Did they think they were going to be fine? 290 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:29,700 He was filthy, that's all I know. 291 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:31,700 He was dirty and filthy. 292 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:34,700 Some of the children didn't like it, and he told them. 293 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:36,700 Tell me what you want to know more. 294 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:38,700 I really think you ought to check up on him. 295 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:39,700 Yes, ma'am. 296 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:41,700 Can you tell us anything else about him? 297 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:43,700 Oh, excuse me. 298 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:44,700 Get that bird. 299 00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:46,700 How do you do? 300 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:48,700 My name is Cindy Hopper. May I help you? 301 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:50,700 How do you do? I'm Arthur Tomlinson. 302 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:52,700 You showed me the white place last weekend. 303 00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:54,700 Oh, yes, of course, Mr. Tomlinson. 304 00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:56,700 A cottage on Norwich, wasn't it? 305 00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:58,700 Yeah, that's right. 306 00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:00,700 The wife and I certainly didn't like it. 307 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:02,700 She wants me to put a deposit on it. 308 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:04,700 It's tough to say, I guess. 309 00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:06,700 Well, no, as a matter of fact, I sold it on Monday. 310 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:09,700 It's just like I told you, things go fast. 311 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:13,700 Of course, you had a substantial down payment to make at the time. 312 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:18,700 Oh, yeah, it did take me a few days to get some money together. 313 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:20,700 That's too bad. 314 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:23,700 The ladies certainly loved the place. 315 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:25,700 That's too bad, I guess. 316 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:27,700 Oh, I'm very sorry, Mr. Tomlinson. 317 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:29,700 There wasn't anything I could do. 318 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:31,700 Oh, yeah, I know that. 319 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:33,700 Well, thanks anyway, ma'am. 320 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:35,700 I guess we'll keep looking. Something may turn up. 321 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:37,700 I'm sure it will. 322 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:39,700 Thanks for stopping by again, Mr. Tomlinson. 323 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:41,700 Yeah, bye. 324 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:46,700 Oh, my. 325 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:48,700 Everybody wants something to nothing. 326 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:50,700 They want houses, but they don't show the money. 327 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:52,700 You know what was it? 328 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:54,700 The truck driver that you saw there? 329 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:56,700 Oh, yeah. 330 00:21:56,700 --> 00:22:00,700 Well, after hearing that talk of his, I just copied down the license number of the truck I got right here in my desk. 331 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:02,700 Well, how about the truck driver, ma'am? 332 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:04,700 Did you feel good letting him? 333 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:06,700 I think we did. 334 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:08,700 The way he acted with those children. 335 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:10,700 What was unusual about his appearance? 336 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:12,700 No, nothing besides his soft mouth. 337 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:14,700 He was tall, dark, had a mustache. 338 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:16,700 I see. 339 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:18,700 One more thing. 340 00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:20,700 Trust you, darling. 341 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:22,700 Yes, ma'am. 342 00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:24,700 There were pictures hanging around the side. Circus animals, I think. 343 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:26,700 Did you notice the color? 344 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:28,700 Oh, yes. It was red. 345 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:30,700 I mean, the pictures are red. 346 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:36,700 4.45 p.m. 347 00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:38,700 We took the license number of the truck which Bernice Hopper had given us 348 00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:40,700 and drove back to the office and checked it through DMV. 349 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:44,700 We found the truck was registered to a commercial baking firm in the south end of town. 350 00:22:44,700 --> 00:22:48,700 Through their personnel department and their dispatcher's office, 351 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:52,700 we got the name and address of the employee who was driving the truck the same day 352 00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:54,700 Bernice Hopper had spotted the driver talking to the school children. 353 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,700 His name was Lester Wiley. 354 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:58,700 We checked a little further, 355 00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:02,700 found that he was driving the same truck the day the Carston twins were abducted. 356 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:04,700 We called into our NRI. 357 00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:06,700 Wiley had no criminal record. 358 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:08,700 6.30 p.m. 359 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:10,700 We located the suspect at his home, 360 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:14,700 an old-style Gouman's White bungalow on the edge of the Highland Park district. 361 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:20,700 We sat in the dining room and drank some kind of sweet wine from a large water glass while we questioned him. 362 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:22,700 That's just stupid of me, huh? 363 00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:24,700 I didn't even ask if you wanted some of this. 364 00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:25,700 Oh, thank you, Wiley. 365 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:29,700 I'd like to hear you explain a bunch of language in front of those school kids. 366 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:31,700 Nothing to explain. 367 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:38,700 Bunch of those kids are hanging around the truck. 368 00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:40,700 Well, maybe they wanted to get in and grab some of the cakes and stuff. 369 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:41,700 I read them off itself. 370 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:44,700 Well, that still doesn't explain the filthy language, Wiley. 371 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:48,700 Hmm? I don't know. Maybe I wasn't feeling good that day. 372 00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:51,700 Might have let a few cuss words slip. 373 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:54,700 I didn't mean anything bad. I like kids. 374 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,700 Do you usually make deliveries up around that school area, Wiley? 375 00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:59,700 Well, so how? Yeah, I get around quite a bit. 376 00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:02,700 That's not what they tell us down in the woods, huh? 377 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:04,700 You've had no business in the neighborhood of that school. 378 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:06,700 You deliver ruts on the other end of town. 379 00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:08,700 So I can't drive from one, huh? 380 00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:10,700 I get the deliveries made, what are they squawking about? 381 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:12,700 I'd like to know what you were doing up in that neighborhood. 382 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:13,700 I was on my lunch hour. 383 00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:15,700 I drove up to see a friend. 384 00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:17,700 I got a friend living near the school. 385 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:19,700 What's the matter, anyway? 386 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:26,700 Don't you think you've had enough of that? 387 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:28,700 Look, you're not telling me what I have to do in my house. 388 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:29,700 It's my house. 389 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:31,700 I want a glass of wine, I have it. You're not telling me what to do. 390 00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:33,700 All right, Wiley, just take it easy. 391 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:35,700 Take it easy nothing. I talked to you too long enough. 392 00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:37,700 Where's the door? You're not coming in here telling me what to do. 393 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:39,700 You better get your coat, we'll talk downtown. 394 00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:41,700 We're not talking any place. 395 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:43,700 Now get out. Get out of this house right now. 396 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:45,700 I heard your alibi's not going to hold up, Wiley. 397 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:46,700 Say it. 398 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:48,700 I don't know what you're talking about. 399 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:50,700 You're trying to frame me, don't you think I know that? 400 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:52,700 That doesn't make much sense. Why should we want to frame you? 401 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,700 I don't know what you're getting at. 402 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,700 No, just what you're getting at. 403 00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:59,700 Those two little girls last week, you're going to say I took them. 404 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:01,700 You're going to say I did things to them. 405 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:02,700 Well, I didn't. 406 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:03,700 I didn't have anything to do with it. 407 00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:04,700 Didn't you? 408 00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:07,700 Oh, no. No, I didn't. 409 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:13,700 Oh, look, I'm sorry. Why don't you sit down? 410 00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:17,700 You didn't mean what I said. I just got nervous. 411 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:19,700 Sure, Wiley, we understand. 412 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:22,700 Why don't you let me get a couple glasses, huh? 413 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:23,700 Have some of this wine. 414 00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:25,700 Warm job. Good. 415 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:26,700 No, thank you. 416 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:29,700 Just like to have you straighten this out on a couple of things and we'll let you know. 417 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:30,700 Yeah? 418 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:35,700 Like to know if you're going to come for your time between 12 noon and 11 p.m. on a Saturday. 419 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:41,700 That's the day somebody picked up those two little girls, isn't it? 420 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:42,700 Yeah, that's right. 421 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:45,700 Wiley? 422 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:48,700 I don't know. I was making deliveries like I always do. 423 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:49,700 Up to 11 o'clock at night? 424 00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:51,700 I was a little late, yeah. 425 00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:53,700 Nothing unusual, though. 426 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:54,700 Is that so? 427 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:56,700 No. Another working day, so. 428 00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:58,700 That's a good wine. 429 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:05,700 I might have been near the park where those kids were. 430 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,700 It doesn't mean anything, though. I get around quite a bit. 431 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:10,700 A lot of deliveries to make. 432 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:12,700 All right, come on. How about it, Wiley? 433 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:14,700 Did you grab those two little girls? 434 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:15,700 I want to go. 435 00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:24,700 All right, Mr. SNF. Get out of my house. Get out of my house. 436 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:26,700 Get out of my house. Get out of my house. 437 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:27,700 All right, Ben, get them on him. 438 00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:29,700 All right. 439 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:31,700 You have a pool, but you know that. 440 00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:33,700 What about it, Wiley? 441 00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:36,700 It's a use. No good at all. 442 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:38,700 You want to tell us about it? 443 00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:40,700 I didn't mean it, that's all. 444 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,700 I didn't mean it. 445 00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:46,700 Just once in a while, something goes wrong with me. 446 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:51,700 I like kids. I don't do much, I guess. 447 00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:54,700 I don't mean to hurt them. 448 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:55,700 You ready to go now? 449 00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:57,700 Anything you say. 450 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,700 I thought I had it with me when I grabbed the kids. 451 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:02,700 What? 452 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:04,700 I thought it was in my coat pocket. 453 00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:05,700 Glad I lost it. 454 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:06,700 Glad you lost what? 455 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,700 The pocket knife. I was going to kill them. 456 00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:18,700 The story you have just heard was true. 457 00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:21,700 Only the man was changed to protect the innocent. 458 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:24,700 On December 10th, trial was held in Superior Court, 459 00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:27,700 Department 87, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. 460 00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:30,700 In a moment, the results of that trial. 461 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:32,700 Now here is our star, Jack Webb. 462 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:33,700 Thank you. 463 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:35,700 Friends, as you might have heard me say before, 464 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:39,700 on Dragnet we try to present the kind of entertainment that you want. 465 00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:40,700 You're the boss. 466 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:42,700 We feel the same way about petunias. 467 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:44,700 If you like them, you'll smoke them. 468 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:45,700 It's just that simple. 469 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:47,700 For me, I like them. 470 00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:50,700 But what's more important, I'm convinced that you will too. 471 00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:55,700 Petunias have a much different, much better flavor and aroma than any other long cigarette. 472 00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:59,700 So I suggest that you buy a pack of petunias and see for yourself. 473 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:04,700 When you do, I'm sure you'll agree with me and thousands of other regular petunia smokers. 474 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,700 In petunia, the difference is quality. 475 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:14,700 ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] 476 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,700 Lester Wiley waived his rights to a preliminary hearing, 477 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:20,700 and at his arraignment in Superior Court, 478 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:25,700 he entered a plea of guilty to one count of kidnapping and one count of child molesting. 479 00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:30,700 He received the sentence as prescribed by law and is now serving his term in the state penitentiary. 480 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:38,700 ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] 481 00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:43,700 You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official fires. 482 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:50,700 Technical advice for Dragnet comes from the Office of Chief of Police, W.H. 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