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Then Jack left to go back to work and then I left. 09:57.040 --> 10:01.040 You didn't notice anyone else in or near the Guthrie's rooms after that? 10:01.040 --> 10:10.040 No. I had my dinner and listened to her radio play and then I went off to bed. 10:10.040 --> 10:14.040 I know you're upset Mrs. Deadman, but can you think of anybody who might have wanted to do away with the Guthrie's? 10:14.040 --> 10:16.040 Anybody who had a reason to do them harm? 10:16.040 --> 10:21.040 As far as I know Sergeant, they didn't have an enemy in the world. 10:21.040 --> 10:25.040 I guess I was wrong. It's a terrible thing. 10:25.040 --> 10:28.040 Yes ma'am. We'll leave our card here with you. 10:28.040 --> 10:31.040 If you want to contact us, don't hesitate to call anytime. 10:31.040 --> 10:33.040 Alright, thank you. 10:33.040 --> 10:36.040 Thank you Mrs. Deadman. Goodbye ma'am. 10:36.040 --> 10:37.040 Goodbye. 10:42.040 --> 10:43.040 What time again? 10:43.040 --> 10:46.040 Six fifteen. 10:46.040 --> 10:48.040 It's pretty early. They ought to be able to post the bodies for us this morning. 10:48.040 --> 10:49.040 Say Friday? 10:49.040 --> 10:50.040 Oh yes Chief. 10:50.040 --> 10:52.040 Jones, your crime lab man is looking for you. 10:52.040 --> 10:54.040 Thank you. Ben, you call the coroner do you? 10:54.040 --> 10:56.040 Yeah, he's on his way over. 11:02.040 --> 11:03.040 Lee? 11:03.040 --> 11:04.040 Hi. 11:06.040 --> 11:08.040 I'm looking for you. Got a few things. 11:08.040 --> 11:09.040 Yeah, what's that? 11:09.040 --> 11:14.040 This hammer. Found it over in the corner under some of the rubble. 11:14.040 --> 11:20.040 These stains on the metal handle here on the head. Gave it the benzidine test. It's blood. 11:20.040 --> 11:21.040 You figure it's a murder weapon? 11:21.040 --> 11:23.040 I've no more when I get the coroner's report. 11:23.040 --> 11:26.040 Bergman lifted a lot of nice prints. A lot of them all over everything. 11:26.040 --> 11:27.040 Yeah. 11:27.040 --> 11:33.040 On the handle of this hammer, on that timing contraption over there, the one that touched off the fire. 11:33.040 --> 11:36.040 Even left some in the next room on that metal box in the drawer of the desk. 11:36.040 --> 11:37.040 How did they look? 11:37.040 --> 11:41.040 Got good prints from each room. They matched. Tell him the next room is something else. 11:41.040 --> 11:42.040 All right. 11:47.040 --> 11:48.040 Yeah? 11:48.040 --> 11:56.040 Those stains on the carpet by the door, the stains on the carpet by the desk, those on the wall, blood stains, all of them. 11:56.040 --> 12:01.040 You can see here, Taylor stains, all leading through the door into the murder room. 12:01.040 --> 12:05.040 You figure they were murdered in here and then the killer took the bodies in the next room and put them on that bed. 12:05.040 --> 12:07.040 That fire to cover up, that's my guess. 12:07.040 --> 12:09.040 How about the prints on the box and that desk, Lee? 12:09.040 --> 12:11.040 Might have been money in the box. 12:11.040 --> 12:12.040 Possible burglary? 12:12.040 --> 12:17.040 That's an angle. I'll take scrapings from these stains run on biological precipitant when I get back to the lab. 12:17.040 --> 12:20.040 I'll let you know how it comes out. Better start finishing up. 12:20.040 --> 12:22.040 Right, Lee. Thanks very much. 12:23.040 --> 12:27.040 Well, that looks like we're in fair shape. A hammer, a couple of fingerprints. 12:27.040 --> 12:28.040 Righty. Romero? 12:28.040 --> 12:29.040 Yes, Huber? 12:29.040 --> 12:34.040 My father worked for Mr. Guthrie in the parking lot, Jack Marshman. Just got here. 12:34.040 --> 12:35.040 Did you talk to him? 12:35.040 --> 12:38.040 Why, I'm now having one of the empty rooms down the hall. 12:38.040 --> 12:39.040 Thanks. Which way? 12:39.040 --> 12:40.040 Down here. 12:42.040 --> 12:44.040 Seems pretty well broken up. 12:44.040 --> 12:46.040 He talked to anyone besides you since he got here? 12:46.040 --> 12:50.040 No, I told him Guthrie's were dead, that's all. He's taking it pretty hard. 12:50.040 --> 12:51.040 Which one? 12:51.040 --> 12:52.040 Right here. 12:52.040 --> 12:54.040 Right here. 12:58.040 --> 13:04.040 Those friends I had, Charlie and Walter. I knew I should have stayed with them. I knew I should have. 13:04.040 --> 13:08.040 These men are from homicide, Mr. Marshman. Sergeant Friday, Sergeant Romero. 13:08.040 --> 13:10.040 Hello, Mr. Marshman. How are you? 13:10.040 --> 13:17.040 I don't know what I can tell you. I can't understand it. Poor Charlie and Walter. 13:17.040 --> 13:19.040 What can I do to help? 13:19.040 --> 13:22.040 I'd like to have you answer a few questions if you don't mind, sir. 13:22.040 --> 13:30.040 Certainly. Certainly, there ain't anything to help out with. Please, you gotta find out whoever did it. You gotta find out who killed him. 13:30.040 --> 13:34.040 We're gonna try, Mr. Marshman. Now, would you tell us the last time you saw that Guthrie's alive? 13:34.040 --> 13:35.040 Sure. 13:35.040 --> 13:45.040 Maude, Mrs. Guthrie about 4.15 yesterday afternoon. Me and Mrs. Steadman, she's a lying lady. We had tea with her. 13:45.040 --> 13:49.040 And I went back to help Mr. Guthrie at the parking lot. 13:49.040 --> 13:51.040 When's the last time you saw him? 13:51.040 --> 13:56.040 Oh, it was about 6.30. That's when I got off duty at the lot. I said goodbye to Charlie. 13:56.040 --> 13:59.040 Never told him it was the last time I'd seen him alive. 13:59.040 --> 14:05.040 I just can't understand. It's such a vicious thing, Charlie and Maude. It's really terrible. 14:05.040 --> 14:08.040 Yes, sir. You want to just sit down there, Mr. Marshman? 14:08.040 --> 14:11.040 Oh, thank you very much. 14:12.040 --> 14:13.040 Ray. 14:13.040 --> 14:14.040 Yeah? 14:14.040 --> 14:17.040 Are you sure you're the only one who talked to Marshman since he died? 14:17.040 --> 14:19.040 That's right. I met him at the door downstairs. 14:19.040 --> 14:22.040 Well, the only thing you told him was that the Guthries were dead. 14:22.040 --> 14:24.040 I don't know. 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You can see for yourself. 16:47.040 --> 16:49.040 Yeah, nice, comfortable place. 16:49.040 --> 16:52.040 I like it. I've been here for about three years. 16:52.040 --> 16:54.040 Well, this room is where I do my living, pull down bed. 16:54.040 --> 16:57.040 There's a little gas plate over there. It's handy, compact. 16:57.040 --> 16:59.040 Mm-hmm, I see. 16:59.040 --> 17:01.040 What do you use this next room for here, Jack? 17:01.040 --> 17:04.040 Oh, that's my shop. I like to put around. You care to see it? 17:04.040 --> 17:06.040 Yeah, okay. 17:10.040 --> 17:12.040 Mm-hmm, it's very nice. What's your hobby? 17:12.040 --> 17:14.040 Watchmaking. Used to be a watchmaker. 17:14.040 --> 17:17.040 I haven't worked at it lately, though. The job's pretty hard to find. 17:17.040 --> 17:19.040 Yeah. 17:19.040 --> 17:21.040 These parts here on the bench, you making something, Jack? 17:21.040 --> 17:23.040 Oh, just fooling around. 17:23.040 --> 17:25.040 Old alarm clock there. I'm fixing it up for a friend. 17:25.040 --> 17:27.040 All these wires and things, they all go into the works, huh? 17:27.040 --> 17:29.040 More or less, yeah. 17:29.040 --> 17:32.040 Just something I was fooling around with. It keeps me busy, you know. 17:32.040 --> 17:34.040 I like a hobby, they say it's good for you. 17:34.040 --> 17:35.040 That's what they say, yeah. 17:35.040 --> 17:37.040 Where does this door go, Marshman? 17:37.040 --> 17:39.040 Oh, that's my closet. Just some clothes and stuff in there. Just junk. 17:39.040 --> 17:41.040 Don't mind if I let you in. 17:41.040 --> 17:44.040 It's only a closet. They're just clothes and junk. There's nothing to see. 17:44.040 --> 17:47.040 Say, Jack, do you usually keep this stuff around? 17:47.040 --> 17:49.040 Huh? Oh. 17:49.040 --> 17:52.040 It's kerosene, and it's pretty dangerous to store like this. 17:52.040 --> 17:54.040 There's no cap on it. 17:54.040 --> 17:56.040 I'm glad you reminded me. I got to get a cap for that. 17:56.040 --> 17:59.040 I use it to wash up. My hands get dirty working around the bench. 17:59.040 --> 18:02.040 This shirt, those trousers. Are you with Jack? 18:02.040 --> 18:05.040 I wish you wouldn't drag that stuff out. It gets my stuff all mixed up. 18:05.040 --> 18:06.040 Yeah, they're mine. 18:06.040 --> 18:09.040 But I figured, these stains here, there's quite a few of them. 18:09.040 --> 18:12.040 Some kind of paint I was using. I'm pretty sloppy with paint. 18:12.040 --> 18:14.040 That's not paint. That's paint. 18:14.040 --> 18:17.040 It's a little like blood to me. 18:17.040 --> 18:20.040 What difference does it make? They're working clothes. 18:20.040 --> 18:22.040 I think the reason was in the day. 18:22.040 --> 18:24.040 Why don't you lay off? 18:24.040 --> 18:26.040 Who cares what kind of stain it is? 18:26.040 --> 18:29.040 You come in here snooping around, looking all around. 18:29.040 --> 18:32.040 I invited you in there. I didn't give you the place. 18:32.040 --> 18:34.040 This is my apartment. This is my shop. 18:34.040 --> 18:37.040 You can get out. You hear me? You both of you, you can get out. 18:37.040 --> 18:39.040 What's the matter, Jack? 18:39.040 --> 18:40.040 I said you can get out. 18:40.040 --> 18:42.040 All right. You want to tell us before we go? 18:42.040 --> 18:44.040 Tell you what? 18:44.040 --> 18:46.040 Why you killed the Guthrie's. 18:46.040 --> 18:48.040 What do you mean? 18:48.040 --> 18:50.040 Why did you kill Mr. and Miss Guthrie? 18:51.040 --> 18:54.040 No reason. I just did it. 18:58.040 --> 19:02.040 Nine a.m. We put the stained clothing and the materials from the workbench in the car. 19:02.040 --> 19:04.040 Together with the suspect, we headed back for the office. 19:04.040 --> 19:07.040 On the way, Marshman was quiet. He asked for some breakfast. 19:07.040 --> 19:10.040 We stopped and bought him some ham and eggs. 19:10.040 --> 19:12.040 We tried to get him to talk. He refused. 19:12.040 --> 19:15.040 After breakfast, we dropped the stained clothing and the other things at the crime lab, 19:15.040 --> 19:17.040 and then we drove to the city hall. 19:17.040 --> 19:20.040 We parked the car in front of the Spring Street entrance and started up the stairs. 19:23.040 --> 19:25.040 Hey, wait a minute. 19:25.040 --> 19:26.040 What's wrong? 19:26.040 --> 19:27.040 I've been thinking. 19:27.040 --> 19:28.040 Yeah? 19:28.040 --> 19:29.040 It's all a mistake. 19:29.040 --> 19:30.040 What is? 19:30.040 --> 19:32.040 I didn't know what I was talking about. I didn't kill him. 19:33.040 --> 19:37.040 Nine forty-seven a.m. Ben and I took the suspect into the interrogation room. 19:37.040 --> 19:39.040 We checked him through R&I. 19:39.040 --> 19:41.040 We had a record of two petty thefts the year before. 19:41.040 --> 19:44.040 We went back to the interrogation room and got on the phone. 19:44.040 --> 19:46.040 We called latent fingerprints. 19:46.040 --> 19:47.040 We made them, Joe. 19:47.040 --> 19:51.040 The prints on the hammer, the timing device, and the metal box on the desk. 19:51.040 --> 19:53.040 They all belonged to Marshman. 19:53.040 --> 19:55.040 Ten o' three a.m. I called the county morgue. 19:55.040 --> 19:58.040 Bodies identified as Mr. and Mrs. Charles Guthrie. 19:58.040 --> 20:00.040 Cause of death, Mrs. Guthrie. 20:00.040 --> 20:02.040 Multiple depressed fractures of the skull. 20:02.040 --> 20:04.040 Subarachnoid hemorrhage. Blunt instrument. 20:04.040 --> 20:07.040 Cause of death, Mr. Guthrie. About the same. 20:07.040 --> 20:10.040 The bones of the brain in the occipital area around the brain stem. 20:10.040 --> 20:14.040 Ten twenty-five a.m. I put in a call to Lee Jones at the crime lab. 20:14.040 --> 20:18.040 The materials from the workbench are the same that went into that automatic timer, Joe. 20:18.040 --> 20:21.040 Pieced together to cut ends of some of the wires. They match. 20:21.040 --> 20:22.040 How about the stains on his clothes? 20:22.040 --> 20:23.040 Human blood. 20:23.040 --> 20:27.040 Ten forty-five a.m. We laid it out for the suspect, step by step. 20:27.040 --> 20:30.040 Let me rest a while. I feel better. Let me think. 20:30.040 --> 20:32.040 We stayed with him. We waited. 20:32.040 --> 20:35.040 Eleven twenty a.m. The suspect opened his eyes. 20:35.040 --> 20:36.040 Sergeant? 20:36.040 --> 20:37.040 Yes? 20:37.040 --> 20:39.040 I want to talk about it. 20:41.040 --> 20:44.040 Eleven twenty-five a.m. Schubert and Wyatt from the arson squad joined us. 20:44.040 --> 20:47.040 We called in one of the stenographers to take Marshman's statement. 20:47.040 --> 20:48.040 Eleanor Eastlake. 20:48.040 --> 20:51.040 She automatically took down the time, the place, and those present. 20:51.040 --> 20:53.040 Jack, this is Miss Eastlake. 20:53.040 --> 20:57.040 She's going to record your statement so there'll be no misunderstanding as to what you say at this time. 20:57.040 --> 20:58.040 I do, ma'am. 20:58.040 --> 20:59.040 Hello. 20:59.040 --> 21:01.040 Joe, you want to handle the question? 21:01.040 --> 21:03.040 All right. 21:03.040 --> 21:06.040 Jack, we've got a few preliminaries here for you. 21:06.040 --> 21:07.040 Okay. 21:07.040 --> 21:10.040 John Everett Marshman. Is that your true name? 21:10.040 --> 21:11.040 Yeah. 21:11.040 --> 21:12.040 Where do you live? 21:12.040 --> 21:14.040 One twenty-two and a half Morgan Place, Parvin Bay. 21:14.040 --> 21:15.040 What's your age? 21:15.040 --> 21:16.040 Thirty-seven. 21:16.040 --> 21:17.040 Occupation? 21:17.040 --> 21:19.040 Watchmaker. When I'm working. 21:19.040 --> 21:27.040 Well, now, Jack, you've indicated to us in the previous conversation that you're willing to make a statement setting forth the true facts surrounding the deaths of Mr. and Miss Charles Guthrie. 21:27.040 --> 21:28.040 That's right. I'll tell you. 21:28.040 --> 21:31.040 Were you in their home Tuesday, April 1st? That's yesterday. 21:31.040 --> 21:33.040 Yeah, that's right. I was. 21:33.040 --> 21:34.040 What time did you get there? 21:34.040 --> 21:38.040 First time? About five minutes to four in the afternoon. 21:38.040 --> 21:42.040 Mrs. Guthrie was there, and so was the landlady, Mrs. Stedman. We had some tea. 21:42.040 --> 21:44.040 Was anybody else present while you were there? 21:44.040 --> 21:45.040 No. It was just the three of us. 21:45.040 --> 21:47.040 How long did you stay there? 21:47.040 --> 21:52.040 I left about four fifteen, I guess. I guess I was there about twenty minutes. 21:52.040 --> 21:54.040 Where did you go when you left? 21:54.040 --> 21:58.040 Well, back to the parking lot, as usual. Charlie Guthrie left and went home to dinner. 21:58.040 --> 22:02.040 He got back about six fifteen. I left at six thirty quitting time. 22:02.040 --> 22:04.040 Where did you go after you left the parking lot? 22:04.040 --> 22:07.040 Went around the block and then back to the Guthrie's place. 22:07.040 --> 22:09.040 Why'd you go back there? 22:09.040 --> 22:13.040 To get money. Charlie never paid me enough. He picked me up and expected me to work for nothing. 22:13.040 --> 22:20.040 All right. Now, in your own words, will you tell us just what happened starting when you entered the Guthrie's apartment the second time? 22:20.040 --> 22:27.040 Mrs. Guthrie opened the door and I went in. She gave me a cup of tea and I told her I wanted some money. She wouldn't give me any. 22:27.040 --> 22:31.040 I don't know why, but I was mad. I was sick and tired of both of them. They never gave me enough money. 22:31.040 --> 22:32.040 Tell her. 22:32.040 --> 22:33.040 I'll hang it, Sergeant. 22:33.040 --> 22:35.040 All right. Go ahead, please. 22:35.040 --> 22:39.040 Mrs. Guthrie went in the next room and I went over to the desk and got the money from the box that they keep it in. 22:39.040 --> 22:43.040 I don't know how much I grabbed all of it and the parrot started squawking. 22:43.040 --> 22:48.040 Mrs. Guthrie came running in. She saw me with the money and she says, Jack. 22:48.040 --> 22:52.040 I picked up something and hit her. It was the hammer. I kept hitting her. 22:52.040 --> 22:55.040 Can you remember how many times you hit her, Moishman? 22:55.040 --> 23:00.040 I don't know. She fell down. The parrot was still squawking, jumping around the cage. 23:00.040 --> 23:06.040 I went over and opened the door of the cage and pulled the parrot out. It stopped moving, finally. 23:06.040 --> 23:12.040 I went in the bedroom and threw it on the floor. Then I dragged Mrs. Guthrie in the bedroom and put her on the bed and I left. 23:12.040 --> 23:14.040 Where'd you go? 23:14.040 --> 23:19.040 I don't know. I walked around. Tried to think of something. It was cold. 23:19.040 --> 23:25.040 I got a bottle of wine. I drank it and I got to thinking about what Charlie would do when he got home. 23:25.040 --> 23:28.040 I knew he'd be sure I did it. He always blamed me for everything. 23:28.040 --> 23:32.040 So I finally went back to the Guthrie's place and found the hammer that I used on her. 23:32.040 --> 23:34.040 What'd you intend doing with the hammer? 23:34.040 --> 23:40.040 Kill Charlie. If she had it coming, so did he. You can't blame me if they forced me into it. Anybody would have done the same. 23:40.040 --> 23:43.040 What'd you do after you found the hammer again? 23:43.040 --> 23:47.040 I picked it up and waited for Charlie to come home. 23:47.040 --> 23:52.040 I remember that. The wine made me feel pretty good. 23:52.040 --> 23:59.040 I stood there in the dark holding the hammer, watched out the window for Charlie. It was cold out. I remember that. 23:59.040 --> 24:05.040 There was a radio on down the hall and I held on to the hammer and waited for Charlie. 24:05.040 --> 24:09.040 The neon light across the street came through the windows. 24:09.040 --> 24:14.040 Old lady was on the bed in there. I could see the parrot on the floor. 24:14.040 --> 24:20.040 It was quiet. I had a smoke. 24:20.040 --> 24:25.040 Traffic kept going by outside. I could hear that. 24:25.040 --> 24:30.040 I held on to the hammer. It was windy out. 24:30.040 --> 24:35.040 I kept thinking Mrs. Guthrie was looking at me from the bed, but she wasn't. 24:35.040 --> 24:39.040 Charlie came home at the usual time, a little after 7.30. 24:39.040 --> 24:46.040 He stood by the door. He came in and closed the door after me. When he reached for the lights, I hit him. 24:46.040 --> 24:52.040 I fell down. I hit him some more. You couldn't blame me. Anybody would have done the same. Anybody would have the way he kicked me around. 24:52.040 --> 24:54.040 How many times did you hit him, Rochman? 24:54.040 --> 24:55.040 I don't know. 24:55.040 --> 24:57.040 Was it twice? Three times? 24:57.040 --> 25:01.040 I hit him until he quit moving. That's all. 25:01.040 --> 25:06.040 I took him, dragged him into the bedroom, put him on the bed with his wife. I put him over. 25:06.040 --> 25:09.040 Wiped the stains off of me and left. That's the only thing I could do. 25:09.040 --> 25:10.040 Where did you go then? 25:10.040 --> 25:17.040 My place. I knew that timer had to do the trick. I put it in a shopping bag with some stuff and I went back to the Guthrie's. 25:17.040 --> 25:22.040 They were still there on the bed. The parrot was on the floor. 25:22.040 --> 25:24.040 Would you repeat that last part, Mr. Merchant? 25:24.040 --> 25:28.040 I said they were still on the bed, the Guthrie's, and the parrot was on the floor next to the bed. 25:28.040 --> 25:33.040 I put the kerosene on the carpet and the rags and paper under the bed and rigged up the electric heater and the automatic timer to set it off. 25:33.040 --> 25:34.040 A little slower? 25:34.040 --> 25:37.040 We'll just pick up Jack and then slow it down just a little bit. 25:37.040 --> 25:38.040 Oh, sorry. 25:38.040 --> 25:41.040 How did you rig the timer to set off the heater, Merchant? Can you tell us? 25:41.040 --> 25:45.040 It would take all morning to tell you. You got the timer. I'll take it apart and explain it to you if you want. 25:45.040 --> 25:46.040 All right. 25:46.040 --> 25:50.040 What was your purpose in setting fire to the room? You knew both Mr. and Mrs. Guthrie were dead, didn't you? 25:50.040 --> 25:55.040 Oh, sure. Sure they were. They forced me into it. I set the fire to make it look like an accident, like they'd burned a day. 25:55.040 --> 25:57.040 What did you do after you set the timer? 25:57.040 --> 26:05.040 Oh, I left, went down the street, bought a couple of bottles of wine, talked to the guy a minute, and I walked around a while. It was too cold, so I went home. 26:05.040 --> 26:07.040 When did you get home? 26:07.040 --> 26:09.040 2.30 maybe. I don't remember too well. 26:09.040 --> 26:10.040 Did you go right to bed? 26:10.040 --> 26:11.040 Yeah. 26:11.040 --> 26:12.040 Did you go to sleep? 26:12.040 --> 26:20.040 No. No. I laid there and read a movie magazine, drank the wine, and finally I finished up the two bottles and dosed off. 26:20.040 --> 26:22.040 What time did you get up? 26:22.040 --> 26:27.040 A little before six this morning. Went down to the Guthrie's to know his around, and so I met you guys. 26:27.040 --> 26:30.040 Well, you know all the rest because I've been with you ever since. 26:30.040 --> 26:33.040 All right, Jack. Anything else you'd like to add? 26:33.040 --> 26:35.040 No, I told you I didn't. 26:35.040 --> 26:42.040 All right. When this statement was given free and voluntarily, there's been no promise of immunity or reward extended to you? 26:42.040 --> 26:43.040 Yeah, that's right. 26:43.040 --> 26:46.040 Was any force, violence, or duress used to induce you to make this statement? 26:46.040 --> 26:47.040 No. 26:47.040 --> 26:54.040 Okay. These questions and answers have been recorded by the secretary here. After they've been transcribed, will you be willing to sign it as a true statement? 26:54.040 --> 26:55.040 Sure, sure. I'll sign it. 26:55.040 --> 26:58.040 All right, Eleanor. Will you get that out as soon as possible? 26:58.040 --> 26:59.040 All right, Sergeant. 27:01.040 --> 27:02.040 Thank you. 27:02.040 --> 27:03.040 You're welcome. 27:06.040 --> 27:08.040 Well, that's it, huh? All of it? 27:08.040 --> 27:09.040 That's it. 27:09.040 --> 27:15.040 Oh, that's good. That's good. I'm tired. It's been a long night. A long one. 27:15.040 --> 27:18.040 Get used to it, huh? They're gonna get longer. 27:24.040 --> 27:29.040 The story you just heard was true. Only the names were changed to protect the innocent. 27:29.040 --> 27:37.040 On July 29th, trial was held in Superior Court, Department 86, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. In a moment, the results of that trial. 27:37.040 --> 27:39.040 Now, here is our star, Jack Webb. 27:39.040 --> 27:45.040 Thank you. Recently, I've asked you to send me the names of cigarette dealers who are out of Fatimas. 27:45.040 --> 27:50.040 You see, the demand for Fatimas is so great that I want to make sure that all of you can buy them. 27:50.040 --> 27:57.040 So keep your letters coming. If you find a dealer fresh out of Fatimas, let me know and we'll have something done about it. 27:57.040 --> 28:06.040 Write your dealer's name and address on a card and mail it to me, Jack Webb, Post Office Box 951, Hollywood 28. 28:06.040 --> 28:13.040 And now for you, Mr. Dealer. The coming holiday season will find new thousands insisting on Fatima quality. 28:13.040 --> 28:20.040 Step up your order for Fatimas tomorrow. Get in on the increasing demand for the quality long cigarette. 28:27.040 --> 28:32.040 John Everett Marshman was tried and convicted of murder in the first degree, two counts, and arson, one count. 28:32.040 --> 28:36.040 He is now serving a life term in the state penitentiary without possibility of parole. 28:40.040 --> 28:45.040 You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official files. 28:45.040 --> 28:51.040 Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police, W.H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department. 28:51.040 --> 29:00.040 Fatima cigarettes, the best of all long cigarettes, has brought you Dragnet, portions transcribed from Los Angeles. 29:00.040 --> 29:19.040 Coming up, We the People, then Screen Director's Playhouse on NBC.