1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,840 The story you are about to hear is true. 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,040 Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent. 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:26,320 Fatima cigarettes, best of all long cigarettes, brings you dragnet. 4 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:49,040 You'll be amazed when you compare Fatima with other long cigarettes. 5 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,640 You'll find they now cost the same. 6 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,600 But in Fatima, the difference is quality. 7 00:00:54,600 --> 00:01:00,800 You see, Fatima is the quality king size cigarette because it contains the finest Turkish and 8 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,600 domestic tobaccos superbly blended. 9 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:09,480 And Fatima is extra mild with a much different, much better flavor and aroma than any other 10 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,240 long cigarette. 11 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:16,000 Because of its quality, its extra mildness, its better flavor and aroma, Fatima has more 12 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,200 than doubled its smokers coast to coast. 13 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,720 So try comparing Fatima yourself. 14 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:27,560 Fatima's now cost the same as other long cigarettes, but your first puff will tell you. 15 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,120 Ah, that's different. 16 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,320 Yes, in Fatima, the difference is quality. 17 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:40,520 Ask your dealer for Fatima, the quality king size cigarette, best of all long cigarettes. 18 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,920 Start enjoying Fatima tomorrow. 19 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:51,920 DRAGNET, the documented drama of an actual crime. 20 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,640 For the next 30 minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will 21 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,040 travel step by step on the side of the law through an actual case transcribed from official 22 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,720 police files. 23 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:07,000 From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, DRAGNET is the story of your police force 24 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,520 in action. 25 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,960 Was Wednesday, April 2nd. 26 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,480 Was windy in Los Angeles. 27 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,720 After working the early morning watch out of homicide. 28 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,040 My partner's Ben Romero, the boss is Thad Brown, chief of detectives. 29 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,040 My name's Friday. 30 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,840 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 31 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,840 Homicide. 32 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:49,840 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 33 00:02:49,840 --> 00:03:05,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 34 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:14,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 35 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:33,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 36 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:52,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 37 00:03:52,040 --> 00:04:07,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 38 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:26,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 39 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:51,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 40 00:04:51,040 --> 00:05:03,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 41 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:16,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 42 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:28,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 43 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:41,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 44 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:53,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 45 00:05:53,040 --> 00:06:06,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 46 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:18,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 47 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:31,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 48 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:43,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 49 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:56,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 50 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:08,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 51 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:21,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 52 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:33,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 53 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:46,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 54 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:58,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 55 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:11,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 56 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:23,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 57 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:36,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 58 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:48,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 59 00:08:48,040 --> 00:09:01,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 60 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:13,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 61 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:26,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 62 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:38,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 63 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:51,040 I was on the way back from communications and it was 5.25 a.m. when I got to room 42. 64 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:57,040 Mrs. Guthrie and Jack and I had a cup of tea together. Then Jack left to go back to work and then I left. 65 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,040 You didn't notice anyone else in or near the Guthrie's rooms after that? 66 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:10,040 No. I had my dinner and listened to her radio play and then I went off to bed. 67 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,040 I know you're upset Mrs. Deadman, but can you think of anybody who might have wanted to do away with the Guthrie's? 68 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,040 Anybody who had a reason to do them harm? 69 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:21,040 As far as I know Sergeant, they didn't have an enemy in the world. 70 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,040 I guess I was wrong. It's a terrible thing. 71 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,040 Yes ma'am. We'll leave our card here with you. 72 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,040 If you want to contact us, don't hesitate to call anytime. 73 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,040 Alright, thank you. 74 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,040 Thank you Mrs. Deadman. Goodbye ma'am. 75 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,040 Goodbye. 76 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,040 What time again? 77 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,040 Six fifteen. 78 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,040 It's pretty early. They ought to be able to post the bodies for us this morning. 79 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,040 Say Friday? 80 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,040 Oh yes Chief. 81 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Jones, your crime lab man is looking for you. 82 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,040 Thank you. Ben, you call the coroner do you? 83 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,040 Yeah, he's on his way over. 84 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,040 Lee? 85 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,040 Hi. 86 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,040 I'm looking for you. Got a few things. 87 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,040 Yeah, what's that? 88 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:14,040 This hammer. Found it over in the corner under some of the rubble. 89 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:20,040 These stains on the metal handle here on the head. Gave it the benzidine test. It's blood. 90 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,040 You figure it's a murder weapon? 91 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,040 I've no more when I get the coroner's report. 92 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,040 Bergman lifted a lot of nice prints. A lot of them all over everything. 93 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,040 Yeah. 94 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:33,040 On the handle of this hammer, on that timing contraption over there, the one that touched off the fire. 95 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,040 Even left some in the next room on that metal box in the drawer of the desk. 96 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,040 How did they look? 97 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Got good prints from each room. They matched. Tell him the next room is something else. 98 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,040 All right. 99 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,040 Yeah? 100 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:56,040 Those stains on the carpet by the door, the stains on the carpet by the desk, those on the wall, blood stains, all of them. 101 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,040 You can see here, Taylor stains, all leading through the door into the murder room. 102 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,040 You figure they were murdered in here and then the killer took the bodies in the next room and put them on that bed. 103 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,040 That fire to cover up, that's my guess. 104 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,040 How about the prints on the box and that desk, Lee? 105 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,040 Might have been money in the box. 106 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,040 Possible burglary? 107 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,040 That's an angle. I'll take scrapings from these stains run on biological precipitant when I get back to the lab. 108 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,040 I'll let you know how it comes out. Better start finishing up. 109 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,040 Right, Lee. Thanks very much. 110 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,040 Well, that looks like we're in fair shape. A hammer, a couple of fingerprints. 111 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,040 Righty. Romero? 112 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,040 Yes, Huber? 113 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:34,040 My father worked for Mr. Guthrie in the parking lot, Jack Marshman. Just got here. 114 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,040 Did you talk to him? 115 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Why, I'm now having one of the empty rooms down the hall. 116 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Thanks. Which way? 117 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Down here. 118 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,040 Seems pretty well broken up. 119 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,040 He talked to anyone besides you since he got here? 120 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,040 No, I told him Guthrie's were dead, that's all. He's taking it pretty hard. 121 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,040 Which one? 122 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,040 Right here. 123 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Right here. 124 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:04,040 Those friends I had, Charlie and Walter. I knew I should have stayed with them. I knew I should have. 125 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,040 These men are from homicide, Mr. Marshman. Sergeant Friday, Sergeant Romero. 126 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,040 Hello, Mr. Marshman. How are you? 127 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:17,040 I don't know what I can tell you. I can't understand it. Poor Charlie and Walter. 128 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,040 What can I do to help? 129 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,040 I'd like to have you answer a few questions if you don't mind, sir. 130 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:30,040 Certainly. Certainly, there ain't anything to help out with. Please, you gotta find out whoever did it. You gotta find out who killed him. 131 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,040 We're gonna try, Mr. Marshman. Now, would you tell us the last time you saw that Guthrie's alive? 132 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,040 Sure. 133 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:45,040 Maude, Mrs. Guthrie about 4.15 yesterday afternoon. Me and Mrs. Steadman, she's a lying lady. We had tea with her. 134 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,040 And I went back to help Mr. Guthrie at the parking lot. 135 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,040 When's the last time you saw him? 136 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,040 Oh, it was about 6.30. That's when I got off duty at the lot. I said goodbye to Charlie. 137 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,040 Never told him it was the last time I'd seen him alive. 138 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:05,040 I just can't understand. It's such a vicious thing, Charlie and Maude. It's really terrible. 139 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,040 Yes, sir. You want to just sit down there, Mr. Marshman? 140 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,040 Oh, thank you very much. 141 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,040 Ray. 142 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,040 Yeah? 143 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,040 Are you sure you're the only one who talked to Marshman since he died? 144 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,040 That's right. I met him at the door downstairs. 145 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,040 Well, the only thing you told him was that the Guthries were dead. 146 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,040 I don't know. I don't know. 147 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:29,040 Any chance he could have been in the room since the fire? 148 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,040 Not a chance. 149 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,040 Then how do you know somebody killed him? 150 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,040 You are listening to Dragnet, authentic stories of your police force in action. 151 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,040 You'll be amazed when you compare Fatima with other long cigarettes. 152 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Buy a pack. You'll find Fatima's now cost the same. 153 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,040 Lighter Fatima. 154 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,040 Ah, that's different. 155 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,040 What a difference. 156 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,040 Yes, friends, in Fatima, the difference is quality. 157 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Quality of tobaccos, the finest Turkish and domestic varieties, extra mild and superbly blended, 158 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:15,040 to give you a much different, much better flavor and aroma than any other long cigarette. 159 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Quality of manufacture, smooth plump cigarettes rolled in the finest paper money can buy. 160 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,040 Quality, even to the appearance of the bright clean yellow package, 161 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:30,040 carefully wrapped and sealed to bring you Fatima's rich, fresh, extra mild flavor. 162 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,040 Try comparing Fatima yourself. 163 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,040 Fatima's now cost the same as other long cigarettes, but your first puff will tell you. 164 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,040 Ah, that's different. 165 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,040 Yes, Fatima, you're right. 166 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,040 The difference is quality. 167 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Ask your dealer for Fatima, the quality king-size cigarette. 168 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,040 Best of all, long cigarettes. 169 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,040 Start enjoying Fatima tomorrow. 170 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:13,040 The Deputy Coroner arrived and removed the bodies of Mr. and Mrs. Guthrie to the county morgue. 171 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,040 Together with Clyde Wyant and Ray Schubert of the arson squad, 172 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,040 Ben and I continued questioning the Guthrie's friend and employee, Jack Marshman. 173 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,040 His answers got more confused, and he kept coming back to the morgue. 174 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,040 His answers got more confused, and he kept contradicting himself. 175 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,040 In some ways, he seemed childlike, and others, a good deal more complex. 176 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,040 We strung along. 177 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,040 In order to keep up the pretense that he was not a suspect, 178 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,040 we asked him to come along with us while we checked his living quarters, 179 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,040 a two-room basement apartment near Olympic and South Flower. 180 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,040 We explained it as a routine check. 181 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,040 Marshman was calm and self-assured. 182 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,040 Well, here it is, officer. You can see for yourself. 183 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,040 Yeah, nice, comfortable place. 184 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,040 I like it. I've been here for about three years. 185 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,040 Well, this room is where I do my living, pull down bed. 186 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,040 There's a little gas plate over there. It's handy, compact. 187 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,040 Mm-hmm, I see. 188 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,040 What do you use this next room for here, Jack? 189 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,040 Oh, that's my shop. I like to put around. You care to see it? 190 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,040 Yeah, okay. 191 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Mm-hmm, it's very nice. What's your hobby? 192 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,040 Watchmaking. Used to be a watchmaker. 193 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,040 I haven't worked at it lately, though. The job's pretty hard to find. 194 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,040 Yeah. 195 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,040 These parts here on the bench, you making something, Jack? 196 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,040 Oh, just fooling around. 197 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,040 Old alarm clock there. I'm fixing it up for a friend. 198 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,040 All these wires and things, they all go into the works, huh? 199 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,040 More or less, yeah. 200 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,040 Just something I was fooling around with. It keeps me busy, you know. 201 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,040 I like a hobby, they say it's good for you. 202 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,040 That's what they say, yeah. 203 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,040 Where does this door go, Marshman? 204 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,040 Oh, that's my closet. Just some clothes and stuff in there. Just junk. 205 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,040 Don't mind if I let you in. 206 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,040 It's only a closet. They're just clothes and junk. There's nothing to see. 207 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,040 Say, Jack, do you usually keep this stuff around? 208 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,040 Huh? Oh. 209 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,040 It's kerosene, and it's pretty dangerous to store like this. 210 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,040 There's no cap on it. 211 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,040 I'm glad you reminded me. I got to get a cap for that. 212 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,040 I use it to wash up. My hands get dirty working around the bench. 213 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,040 This shirt, those trousers. Are you with Jack? 214 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,040 I wish you wouldn't drag that stuff out. It gets my stuff all mixed up. 215 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,040 Yeah, they're mine. 216 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,040 But I figured, these stains here, there's quite a few of them. 217 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,040 Some kind of paint I was using. I'm pretty sloppy with paint. 218 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,040 That's not paint. That's paint. 219 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,040 It's a little like blood to me. 220 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,040 What difference does it make? They're working clothes. 221 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,040 I think the reason was in the day. 222 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,040 Why don't you lay off? 223 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,040 Who cares what kind of stain it is? 224 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,040 You come in here snooping around, looking all around. 225 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,040 I invited you in there. I didn't give you the place. 226 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,040 This is my apartment. This is my shop. 227 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,040 You can get out. You hear me? You both of you, you can get out. 228 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,040 What's the matter, Jack? 229 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,040 I said you can get out. 230 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,040 All right. You want to tell us before we go? 231 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,040 Tell you what? 232 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Why you killed the Guthrie's. 233 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,040 What do you mean? 234 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,040 Why did you kill Mr. and Miss Guthrie? 235 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,040 No reason. I just did it. 236 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,040 Nine a.m. We put the stained clothing and the materials from the workbench in the car. 237 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Together with the suspect, we headed back for the office. 238 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,040 On the way, Marshman was quiet. He asked for some breakfast. 239 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,040 We stopped and bought him some ham and eggs. 240 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,040 We tried to get him to talk. He refused. 241 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,040 After breakfast, we dropped the stained clothing and the other things at the crime lab, 242 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,040 and then we drove to the city hall. 243 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,040 We parked the car in front of the Spring Street entrance and started up the stairs. 244 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,040 Hey, wait a minute. 245 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,040 What's wrong? 246 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,040 I've been thinking. 247 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Yeah? 248 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,040 It's all a mistake. 249 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,040 What is? 250 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,040 I didn't know what I was talking about. I didn't kill him. 251 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,040 Nine forty-seven a.m. Ben and I took the suspect into the interrogation room. 252 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,040 We checked him through R&I. 253 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,040 We had a record of two petty thefts the year before. 254 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,040 We went back to the interrogation room and got on the phone. 255 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,040 We called latent fingerprints. 256 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,040 We made them, Joe. 257 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,040 The prints on the hammer, the timing device, and the metal box on the desk. 258 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,040 They all belonged to Marshman. 259 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,040 Ten o' three a.m. I called the county morgue. 260 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,040 Bodies identified as Mr. and Mrs. Charles Guthrie. 261 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,040 Cause of death, Mrs. Guthrie. 262 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,040 Multiple depressed fractures of the skull. 263 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,040 Subarachnoid hemorrhage. Blunt instrument. 264 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,040 Cause of death, Mr. Guthrie. About the same. 265 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,040 The bones of the brain in the occipital area around the brain stem. 266 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,040 Ten twenty-five a.m. I put in a call to Lee Jones at the crime lab. 267 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,040 The materials from the workbench are the same that went into that automatic timer, Joe. 268 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,040 Pieced together to cut ends of some of the wires. They match. 269 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,040 How about the stains on his clothes? 270 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,040 Human blood. 271 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,040 Ten forty-five a.m. We laid it out for the suspect, step by step. 272 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,040 Let me rest a while. I feel better. Let me think. 273 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,040 We stayed with him. We waited. 274 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,040 Eleven twenty a.m. The suspect opened his eyes. 275 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,040 Sergeant? 276 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,040 Yes? 277 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,040 I want to talk about it. 278 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,040 Eleven twenty-five a.m. Schubert and Wyatt from the arson squad joined us. 279 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,040 We called in one of the stenographers to take Marshman's statement. 280 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,040 Eleanor Eastlake. 281 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,040 She automatically took down the time, the place, and those present. 282 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,040 Jack, this is Miss Eastlake. 283 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,040 She's going to record your statement so there'll be no misunderstanding as to what you say at this time. 284 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,040 I do, ma'am. 285 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,040 Hello. 286 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,040 Joe, you want to handle the question? 287 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,040 All right. 288 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,040 Jack, we've got a few preliminaries here for you. 289 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,040 Okay. 290 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,040 John Everett Marshman. Is that your true name? 291 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,040 Yeah. 292 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,040 Where do you live? 293 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,040 One twenty-two and a half Morgan Place, Parvin Bay. 294 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,040 What's your age? 295 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,040 Thirty-seven. 296 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,040 Occupation? 297 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,040 Watchmaker. When I'm working. 298 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:27,040 Well, now, Jack, you've indicated to us in the previous conversation that you're willing to make a statement setting forth the true facts surrounding the deaths of Mr. and Miss Charles Guthrie. 299 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,040 That's right. I'll tell you. 300 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,040 Were you in their home Tuesday, April 1st? That's yesterday. 301 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,040 Yeah, that's right. I was. 302 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,040 What time did you get there? 303 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,040 First time? About five minutes to four in the afternoon. 304 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,040 Mrs. Guthrie was there, and so was the landlady, Mrs. Stedman. We had some tea. 305 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,040 Was anybody else present while you were there? 306 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,040 No. It was just the three of us. 307 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,040 How long did you stay there? 308 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,040 I left about four fifteen, I guess. I guess I was there about twenty minutes. 309 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,040 Where did you go when you left? 310 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,040 Well, back to the parking lot, as usual. Charlie Guthrie left and went home to dinner. 311 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,040 He got back about six fifteen. I left at six thirty quitting time. 312 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,040 Where did you go after you left the parking lot? 313 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,040 Went around the block and then back to the Guthrie's place. 314 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,040 Why'd you go back there? 315 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,040 To get money. Charlie never paid me enough. He picked me up and expected me to work for nothing. 316 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:20,040 All right. Now, in your own words, will you tell us just what happened starting when you entered the Guthrie's apartment the second time? 317 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:27,040 Mrs. Guthrie opened the door and I went in. She gave me a cup of tea and I told her I wanted some money. She wouldn't give me any. 318 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,040 I don't know why, but I was mad. I was sick and tired of both of them. They never gave me enough money. 319 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,040 Tell her. 320 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,040 I'll hang it, Sergeant. 321 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,040 All right. Go ahead, please. 322 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,040 Mrs. Guthrie went in the next room and I went over to the desk and got the money from the box that they keep it in. 323 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,040 I don't know how much I grabbed all of it and the parrot started squawking. 324 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:48,040 Mrs. Guthrie came running in. She saw me with the money and she says, Jack. 325 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,040 I picked up something and hit her. It was the hammer. I kept hitting her. 326 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,040 Can you remember how many times you hit her, Moishman? 327 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:00,040 I don't know. She fell down. The parrot was still squawking, jumping around the cage. 328 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:06,040 I went over and opened the door of the cage and pulled the parrot out. It stopped moving, finally. 329 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:12,040 I went in the bedroom and threw it on the floor. Then I dragged Mrs. Guthrie in the bedroom and put her on the bed and I left. 330 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,040 Where'd you go? 331 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:19,040 I don't know. I walked around. Tried to think of something. It was cold. 332 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:25,040 I got a bottle of wine. I drank it and I got to thinking about what Charlie would do when he got home. 333 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,040 I knew he'd be sure I did it. He always blamed me for everything. 334 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,040 So I finally went back to the Guthrie's place and found the hammer that I used on her. 335 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,040 What'd you intend doing with the hammer? 336 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:40,040 Kill Charlie. If she had it coming, so did he. You can't blame me if they forced me into it. Anybody would have done the same. 337 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,040 What'd you do after you found the hammer again? 338 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,040 I picked it up and waited for Charlie to come home. 339 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:52,040 I remember that. The wine made me feel pretty good. 340 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:59,040 I stood there in the dark holding the hammer, watched out the window for Charlie. It was cold out. I remember that. 341 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:05,040 There was a radio on down the hall and I held on to the hammer and waited for Charlie. 342 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,040 The neon light across the street came through the windows. 343 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Old lady was on the bed in there. I could see the parrot on the floor. 344 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:20,040 It was quiet. I had a smoke. 345 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,040 Traffic kept going by outside. I could hear that. 346 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,040 I held on to the hammer. It was windy out. 347 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:35,040 I kept thinking Mrs. Guthrie was looking at me from the bed, but she wasn't. 348 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,040 Charlie came home at the usual time, a little after 7.30. 349 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:46,040 He stood by the door. He came in and closed the door after me. When he reached for the lights, I hit him. 350 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:52,040 I fell down. I hit him some more. You couldn't blame me. Anybody would have done the same. Anybody would have the way he kicked me around. 351 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,040 How many times did you hit him, Rochman? 352 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,040 I don't know. 353 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,040 Was it twice? Three times? 354 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,040 I hit him until he quit moving. That's all. 355 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,040 I took him, dragged him into the bedroom, put him on the bed with his wife. I put him over. 356 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,040 Wiped the stains off of me and left. That's the only thing I could do. 357 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,040 Where did you go then? 358 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:17,040 My place. I knew that timer had to do the trick. I put it in a shopping bag with some stuff and I went back to the Guthrie's. 359 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,040 They were still there on the bed. The parrot was on the floor. 360 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,040 Would you repeat that last part, Mr. Merchant? 361 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,040 I said they were still on the bed, the Guthrie's, and the parrot was on the floor next to the bed. 362 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,040 I put the kerosene on the carpet and the rags and paper under the bed and rigged up the electric heater and the automatic timer to set it off. 363 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,040 A little slower? 364 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,040 We'll just pick up Jack and then slow it down just a little bit. 365 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,040 Oh, sorry. 366 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,040 How did you rig the timer to set off the heater, Merchant? Can you tell us? 367 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,040 It would take all morning to tell you. You got the timer. I'll take it apart and explain it to you if you want. 368 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,040 All right. 369 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,040 What was your purpose in setting fire to the room? You knew both Mr. and Mrs. Guthrie were dead, didn't you? 370 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:55,040 Oh, sure. Sure they were. They forced me into it. I set the fire to make it look like an accident, like they'd burned a day. 371 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,040 What did you do after you set the timer? 372 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:05,040 Oh, I left, went down the street, bought a couple of bottles of wine, talked to the guy a minute, and I walked around a while. It was too cold, so I went home. 373 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,040 When did you get home? 374 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,040 2.30 maybe. I don't remember too well. 375 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,040 Did you go right to bed? 376 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,040 Yeah. 377 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,040 Did you go to sleep? 378 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:20,040 No. No. I laid there and read a movie magazine, drank the wine, and finally I finished up the two bottles and dosed off. 379 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,040 What time did you get up? 380 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,040 A little before six this morning. Went down to the Guthrie's to know his around, and so I met you guys. 381 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Well, you know all the rest because I've been with you ever since. 382 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,040 All right, Jack. Anything else you'd like to add? 383 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,040 No, I told you I didn't. 384 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:42,040 All right. When this statement was given free and voluntarily, there's been no promise of immunity or reward extended to you? 385 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,040 Yeah, that's right. 386 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,040 Was any force, violence, or duress used to induce you to make this statement? 387 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,040 No. 388 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:54,040 Okay. These questions and answers have been recorded by the secretary here. After they've been transcribed, will you be willing to sign it as a true statement? 389 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,040 Sure, sure. I'll sign it. 390 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,040 All right, Eleanor. Will you get that out as soon as possible? 391 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,040 All right, Sergeant. 392 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,040 Thank you. 393 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,040 You're welcome. 394 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,040 Well, that's it, huh? All of it? 395 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,040 That's it. 396 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:15,040 Oh, that's good. That's good. I'm tired. It's been a long night. A long one. 397 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,040 Get used to it, huh? They're gonna get longer. 398 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,040 The story you just heard was true. Only the names were changed to protect the innocent. 399 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:37,040 On July 29th, trial was held in Superior Court, Department 86, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. In a moment, the results of that trial. 400 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,040 Now, here is our star, Jack Webb. 401 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:45,040 Thank you. Recently, I've asked you to send me the names of cigarette dealers who are out of Fatimas. 402 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,040 You see, the demand for Fatimas is so great that I want to make sure that all of you can buy them. 403 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:57,040 So keep your letters coming. If you find a dealer fresh out of Fatimas, let me know and we'll have something done about it. 404 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:06,040 Write your dealer's name and address on a card and mail it to me, Jack Webb, Post Office Box 951, Hollywood 28. 405 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:13,040 And now for you, Mr. Dealer. The coming holiday season will find new thousands insisting on Fatima quality. 406 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:20,040 Step up your order for Fatimas tomorrow. Get in on the increasing demand for the quality long cigarette. 407 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,040 John Everett Marshman was tried and convicted of murder in the first degree, two counts, and arson, one count. 408 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,040 He is now serving a life term in the state penitentiary without possibility of parole. 409 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,040 You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official files. 410 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:51,040 Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police, W.H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department. 411 00:28:51,040 --> 00:29:00,040 Fatima cigarettes, the best of all long cigarettes, has brought you Dragnet, portions transcribed from Los Angeles. 412 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:19,040 Coming up, We the People, then Screen Director's Playhouse on NBC.